***Official Galaxy Nexus Pre-Release speculation thread**

[HanSolo]

This makes me feel a ton better about my usage...

black_man_x
Let me further clarify my battery statement.. I use about 4gb a day in data so I kill a bionic battery in 4 hours so to get 6 will be great

Wow. This is great! Squares up with what Steven's source said earlier. Heavy, heavy usage and 4 - 6 hours? That's unbelievable. I can't even do that on my OG Droid.

From what I gather 4460 is basically over year-old CPU clocked to maximum. Bad GPU performance, bad battery life (compared to 4S and anything 28-32nm coming later this year and early next).

I don't know where you're getting thtat it's a year old CPU. It hasn't been used in any phone yet. Also, from concept to mass production, I'd be shocked if any CPU on the market wasn't 8 - 10 months out.

I was sure about getting this thing but starting to doubt now if pure android really is worth it or better to wait for the second device rumored in Androidpolice (i815?), closer to GSMArena specs?

There will always be a better, faster, crisper device around the corner. As soon as we snatch this up, SGS 3 will be rumored and spec'd.

However, and this is a BIG however, I don't know when I will get another chance for a pure, vanilla, Google-updated phone on Verizon. It may never come again.

I'm snatching this up faster than a I'd grab a baby falling out of a window!

 

[r4yN]

How about now???

you must be kidding... how much do you want to be the 7000. ?!

you've already made 2 7k fail-posts...

 

[The_Chief]

CONGRATS on hitting 7000!

Heaven knows I tried LOL oh well, there's always 8k...

Anyway folks, we shattered yet ANOTHER record! from 6000 posts to 7000 posts in just TWENTY SIX HOURS! 26 hours!

So nkk, I hope your charts spike almost straight up... we may need that!

 

[xtop]

I don't know where you're getting thtat it's a year old CPU. It hasn't been used in any phone yet. Also, from concept to mass production, I'd be shocked if any CPU on the market wasn't 8 - 10 months out.

technically it's much older than that. but that's not the point lol..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR

 

[r4yN]

I don't know where you're getting thtat it's a year old CPU. It hasn't been used in any phone yet. Also, from concept to mass production, I'd be shocked if any CPU on the market wasn't 8 - 10 months out.

well i'd guess he's getting that idea from the official TI-website..

OMAP™ 4 Platform - OMAP4430/OMAP4460

same architecture, only different clock speeds, he is totally right...

4460 = higher clocked 4430 (both CPU & GPU)


4470 has a brand new architecture, and of course a brandnew (newer used before) GPU the PowerVr SGX544...

i'd be totally happy if the NP (GSM-Version) comes with the Omap 4470 and not the exynos 4212, but 4460 is not good enough for what i want...

 

[clb2196]

Starting with 3.1, Android supports USB hosting... I didn't know the gs2 could do it. I guess Samsung implemented that on their own. But, yeah, 4.0 should certainly be able to do it.

I don't see how 4.0 *couldn't, since it's supposed to be on tablets as well. People would be pretty mad if they lost usb host on tabs that already had it. Especially the Xoom when they (well "we" I used to have one) waited so long to begin with.

 

[pcj]

From what I gather 4460 is basically over year-old CPU clocked to maximum. Bad GPU performance, bad battery life (compared to 4S and anything 28-32nm coming later this year and early next).

I was sure about getting this thing but starting to doubt now if pure android really is worth it or better to wait for the second device rumored in Androidpolice (i815?), closer to GSMArena specs?

OMAP 4460 began sampling in Q1 2011.

 

[HanSolo]

Edit: Jiminy Cricket, I pulled a reverse Steven this time. Sorry guys.

 

[Teegunn]

Popping my head in here..... been following the thread for weeks. I've unfortunately felt from the beginning that the super cutting edge rumors about specs were fanciful. The really kicker to keep me away is lack of SD slot -cmon google! Cloud storage does not compare for me, especially for streaming music/vids/etc. I use my DX2 as my goto device for all music. 90% of pictures. I want an SD do card to not only store, but easily hot-swap to my PC. I use dropbox, but lets be realistic, it's a backup option. Cloud storage has serious limitations AND most importantly forces the user into possibly being leveraged more and more as time goes along by those holding the cloud based services. Also, as others have mentioned, you dn't always have connectivity and not everyone has unlimited data (of which at some point even those grandfathered in will lose it one way or another). I see cloud based stuff as just another way to generate more revenue for those owning the cloud services.

Unfortunately, this phone is not looking to be the ground breaking device as rumored. Very nice phone, but not really much ahead of the SGS2 itself that is over 6 months old. Contenders for my money are still the Spyder/Razr and the Vigor. My DX2 isn't exactly killing me as it's running well overall, so I should just show patience I suppose. LIke everyone else, I am somewhat disappointed in the specs that seem to be shaping up as likely and my excitiment level is dampened. I'm not going to talk myself into how things like no sd slot are OK because they aren't. Once all three phones hit the market and are into users hands we will know the true differences of the Prime/Vigor/Razr. Until then there is no clear winner although it's pretty obvious by now none of the three will be a vaunted "game changin" device.

 

[drhill]

but the GPU is pretty old... ~2 years old, only overclocked... :/

If it decodes 1080p videos and plays games as intensive as angry birds, then it is fine for me. I have an Xbox360. I don't game on my phone. As long as the thing runs smooth and doesn't beep at me to charge it then I'm fine.

 

[drbugsmn]

4470 has a brand new architecture, and of course a brandnew (newer used before) GPU the PowerVr SGX544...

i'd be totally happy if the NP (GSM-Version) comes with the Omap 4470 and not the exynos 4212, but 4460 is not good enough for what i want...

I'll admit I was hoping for the 4470, since it sampled out back in juneish. I thought it had a better shot than the exynos 4212 due to that. It has 2 low power cores in addition to the 2 big cores

TI OMAP4470 1.8GHz dual-core coming 1H 2012 to take on Kal-El and Intel - SlashGear

 

[HanSolo]

Popping my head in here..... been following the thread for weeks. I've unfortunately felt from the beginning that the super cutting edge rumors about specs were fanciful. The really kicker to keep me away is lack of SD slot -cmon google! Cloud storage does not compare for me, especially for streaming music/vids/etc. I use my DX2 as my goto device for all music. 90% of pictures. I want an SD do card to not only store, but easily hot-swap to my PC. I use dropbox, but lets be realistic, it's a backup option. Cloud storage has serious limitations AND most importantly forces the user into possibly being leveraged more and more as time goes along by those holding the cloud based services. Also, as others have mentioned, you dn't always have connectivity and not everyone has unlimited data (of which at some point even those grandfathered in will lose it one way or another). I see cloud based stuff as just another way to generate more revenue for those owning the cloud services.

Unfortunately, this phone is not looking to be the ground breaking device as rumored. Very nice phone, but not really much ahead of the SGS2 itself that is over 6 months old. Contenders for my money are still the Spyder/Razr and the Vigor. My DX2 isn't exactly killing me as it's running well overall, so I should just show patience I suppose. LIke everyone else, I am somewhat disappointed in the specs that seem to be shaping up as likely and my excitiment level is dampened. I'm not going to talk myself into how things like no sd slot are OK because they aren't. Once all three phones hit the market and are into users hands we will know the true differences of the Prime/Vigor/Razr. Until then there is no clear winner although it's pretty obvious by now none of the three will be a vaunted "game changin" device.

Great post, welcome to the zoo!

You're right, we won't truly know until we can hold it in our paws and play with it some. And everyone has different standards, depending on what they use their phones for.

For me, a Google-updated device on Verizon is a "game changer". For others, the hardware specs are where it's at.

I hope you stick around, Teegunn.

 

[Rrrracer]

As big as fan of bleeding edge technology as I am, the 4460 looks like it will probably do anything I would ask it to do. Here's a nice performance test of the 4430... and the 4460 is gonna be even better.

AnandTech - LG Optimus 3D Preliminary Performance - OMAP4 Tested

 

[mfecik]

Wow. This is great! Squares up with what Steven's source said earlier. Heavy, heavy usage and 4 - 6 hours? That's unbelievable. I can't even do that on my OG Droid.

Yeah I have never even been over 1G of data for a WHOLE MONTH, but I do text a ton, but I figure I should be good, and will have no issues with the battery.

 

[HanSolo]

I'll admit I was hoping for the 4470. . .

. . . .
i'd be totally happy if the NP (GSM-Version) comes with the Omap 4470 and not the exynos 4212, but 4460 is not good enough for what i want...

I have almost no clue about the CPU stuff at all, but I just wanted to ask a general question:


Suppose that Steven's source handled the device say, 3 months ago. (Remember, Steven said he/she is NOT a beta tester.)

Would it be possible for him/her to have handled a phone running an OMAP 4460, but between then and now, it got switched to a 4470?

Steven, I know you can't go into too much detail, and of course you don't have to answer this if it violates confidentiality or something, but do you know when he/she saw the phone?

I remember CK was quite adamant in saying that not all testers were getting the final device. If that is true, and Steven's source isn't a real live beta tester, then it's feasible that he didn't see the final device.

Isn't it? Personally, I'm perfectly happy with the OMAP 4460. I'm just thinking out loud.

Anyone?

 

[Rrrracer]

I'll admit I was hoping for the 4470, since it sampled out back in juneish. I thought it had a better shot than the exynos 4212 due to that. It has 2 low power cores in addition to the 2 big cores

TI OMAP4470 1.8GHz dual-core coming 1H 2012 to take on Kal-El and Intel - SlashGear

Now THIS would be a game changer

I especially like this line from the article:

"Pin-for-pin, the new OMAP 4 chip is compatible with its predecessors, which means that manufacturers using the older versions face little work to swap over to the OMAP4470."

Now if we could only figure out how to to upgrade the chip down the road lol...

 

[Knips178]

I have almost no clue about the CPU stuff at all, but I just wanted to ask a general question:


Suppose that Steven's source handled the device say, 3 months ago. (Remember, Steven said he/she is NOT a beta tester.)

Would it be possible for him/her to have handled a phone running an OMAP 4460, but between then and now, it got switched to a 4470?

Steven, I know you can't go into too much detail, and of course you don't have to answer this if it violates confidentiality or something, but do you know when he/she saw the phone?

I remember CK was quite adamant in saying that not all testers were getting the final device. If that is true, and Steven's source isn't a real live beta tester, then it's feasible that he didn't see the final device.

Isn't it? Personally, I'm perfectly happy with the OMAP 4460. I'm just thinking out loud.

Anyone?

Excellent point!

Maybe that's part of the conflicting knowledge going around. Different people saw the device at different stages of development.

 

[EarlyMon]

well i'd guess he's getting that idea from the official TI-website..

OMAP™ 4 Platform - OMAP4430/OMAP4460

same architecture, only different clock speeds, he is totally right...

4460 = higher clocked 4430 (both CPU & GPU)


4470 has a brand new architecture, and of course a brandnew (newer used before) GPU the PowerVr SGX544...

OMAP 4460 began sampling in Q1 2011.

I think someone (not me) was saying something about how it takes time to go from design, thru test wafers, internal quals, to sampling to production. I think they repeated it, graciously. (OK to stand up and take a bow. )

So, I don't think you can get a mobile processor as hot off the press as a newspaper.

~~~~~~~~

Multitasking. Not difficult.

Android is Linux, therefore uses unix-defined preemptive multitasking, like Linux (duh), OS X and Win7.

iOS uses cooperative multitasking, much like Win95/98.

The first one allows for shared resources and services to always run and to be always available to all apps - resulting in compact, efficient apps.

The second one requires each app to carry around more of its services - but it each app can then go to town on those services and tinker with whatever is required to maximize performance. The price paid is that each app is likely carrying redundant code and in any case, are larger than apps of the first method.

Each is a blessing and a curse and there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

Myself, I prefer Android, I personally view it as more sophisticated, but that's just me.

~~~~~~~

And to all you new folks joining (while I was elsewhere) in last few pages, sorry to not mention you by name as is our custom - but anyway, I've read all posts, including yours, and sincerely welcome you to the forums!

 

[UBRocked]

Popping my head in here..... been following the thread for weeks. I've unfortunately felt from the beginning that the super cutting edge rumors about specs were fanciful. The really kicker to keep me away is lack of SD slot -cmon google! Cloud storage does not compare for me, especially for streaming music/vids/etc. I use my DX2 as my goto device for all music. 90% of pictures. I want an SD do card to not only store, but easily hot-swap to my PC. I use dropbox, but lets be realistic, it's a backup option. Cloud storage has serious limitations AND most importantly forces the user into possibly being leveraged more and more as time goes along by those holding the cloud based services. Also, as others have mentioned, you dn't always have connectivity and not everyone has unlimited data (of which at some point even those grandfathered in will lose it one way or another). I see cloud based stuff as just another way to generate more revenue for those owning the cloud services.

Unfortunately, this phone is not looking to be the ground breaking device as rumored. Very nice phone, but not really much ahead of the SGS2 itself that is over 6 months old. Contenders for my money are still the Spyder/Razr and the Vigor. My DX2 isn't exactly killing me as it's running well overall, so I should just show patience I suppose. LIke everyone else, I am somewhat disappointed in the specs that seem to be shaping up as likely and my excitiment level is dampened. I'm not going to talk myself into how things like no sd slot are OK because they aren't. Once all three phones hit the market and are into users hands we will know the true differences of the Prime/Vigor/Razr. Until then there is no clear winner although it's pretty obvious by now none of the three will be a vaunted "game changin" device.

We are being sold incremental updates because the manufacturers are making profits and they don't have to work hard for it. It's the way it is and unfortunately, it's not very exciting. I think we are all silly for paying top dollar for these upgrades. We might as well wait for 3-6 months for the the phones to go on sale because they are already behind the curve when they are released anyway.

Where's the innovation? I just want to feel like someone is pushing the envelope. Maybe that spirit is dead?

A PRIME example is that the iPhone 4S has record sells thus far LMAO. Complacency is running rampant!!! It would be nice if Google could limit one phone per manufacturer, per carrier, per year. Take your best shot cause you only get one! Throw up some BS incremental upgrade and you would lose boatloads.

I'm not really disappointed in this particular phone so don't get me wrong. But just as I was disappointed with the iPhone 4S launch...I'm disappointed again. Where's the excitement? Show me you want my business! It's becoming boring and the most exciting improvements are always rumors that never surface until the tech is too old to matter anymore.

 

[HanSolo]

Samsung Google Nexus Prime: The one post that’s as big as the hype | Android and Me

I haven't even read this article yet, because it's as long as a monkey's poop off a tree, but just wanted to throw it out there in case anyone's interested.

 

[SmokeNMirrors]

Seriously, SGS2 can do that?! You can hang a USB flash drive off of it?

Yup, pretty slick eh? Sorry, I couldn't post a link in my first post. Here's more info on XDA.

 

[g_patrick15]

Hi!

Would anyone be so kind as to give me a summary of what is known so far? There are so many pages!

Also, is the Verizon version going to have TOUCHWIZ on it?

No device, introduced in conjunction with Google, that is titled Nexus will have TouchWiz on it.

Will this ever be put to rest? I simply cannot believe that this question is still being asked.

 

[BlueBiker]

VZW's current fastest phone (Droid Bionic) has only been out for five weeks now, and Prime will be a full 50% faster.

Not fast enough?

 

[EarlyMon]

UBRocked - Well - no question that the iP4s launch event was the worst ever (despite great sales, we saw that coming).

Just chiming in that until we get Google/Samsung actual launch of ICS and the Nexus, kind of soon to be sure that it's such a letdown.

And, no, I'm not taking bets, not even in quatloos!

 

[The_Chief]

Yeah I have never even been over 1G of data for a WHOLE MONTH, but I do text a ton, but I figure I should be good, and will have no issues with the battery.

I've never exceeded a gig either, but that's only because 3G's so friggin' SLOW that I'm on wifi most of the time. Once I get hold of 4G, I'm gonna be streaming everything everywhere.