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LG G3 Pre-release/Rumor/Speculation Thread

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Hadron said:
Why do people buy 16MP phones in order to upload images to FB or Instagram? ;).
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Since there is only one 16MP phone it's easy to answer that, it's because not only does the Galaxy S5 capture more detail, it also produces more accurate colours, doesn't overexpose images like the M8 and handles night low light shots better, M8 doesnt handle street lights well, you get visual artifacts as well as as the image being overexposed, also shots in good lighting look dull and lifeless.

Sites have done blind tests comparing images from devices and Galaxy S5 won easily while the M8 was second to last, even ignoring the megapixel rating it's still a much better camera.

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As you say, it's diminishing returns. At the pixel densities we already have I'll bet that contrast, colour temperature, saturation, brightness, viewing angle all make more difference to the perceived image than differences in ppi, but those are harder to turn into a single number for marketing purposes.

If you had 2 5" displays which matched on those criteria, one 1080p and one 1440p, put them both in the same phone body and gave them to people I'd guess that almost nobody would notice there was a difference unless you asked them and the majority wouldn't be able to tell even if you did. I'm also cynical enough to suspect that if you put two identical 1080p displays in different bodies and told people that one was 1440p a significant subset of people would tell you that it was sharper (especially if they'd paid money for it).
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I agree with this, most users won't be able to tell the difference, I'd like to think I could tell the difference but without looking at a website I probably couldn't.

Just once it would be nice to have a significant GPU upgrade without the resolution being increased, we will never catchup to the iPhone's gaming performance with the resolution keeps increasing like this.
 
I wasn't talking about any phones in particular. I used a random example to point out that the pixel count on many phones exceeds what's needed for what many people use them for, as one example of numerical specs exceeding requirements. I could have used 20MP equally well, so no need to get defensive on behalf of any handset. Let's not sidetrack this thread.

Though I think 1440p is a worse case than Mpix because for anything apart from a very large phablet it's hard to see any benefit - you can't crop your phone display!
 
I'd have to go with 'you think you see a difference because you know one is supposed to be better'. It's a known psychological phenomenon. You tell someone that something is better, and thereby thinks he sees a difference between it and the so called inferior object. AFAIK this has been proven with blind testing of various objects. It's related to preconditioning I'd think.
 
Hadron said:
I wasn't talking about any phones in particular. I used a random example to point out that the pixel count on many phones exceeds what's needed for what many people use them for, as one example of numerical specs exceeding requirements. I could have used 20MP equally well, so no need to get defensive on behalf of any handset.
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Not being defensive, you just gave a really bad example. ;)

Though I think 1440p is a worse case than Mpix because for anything apart from a very large phablet it's hard to see any benefit - you can't crop your phone display!
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The only way I could tell the difference is browsing a website, 1440p will fit a lot more on the screen, but it will be so small on a 5" display, unless your the man of steel I don't think anyone will think that's an advantage. :D

chanchan05 said:
I'd have to go with 'you think you see a difference because you know one is supposed to be better'. It's a known psychological phenomenon. You tell someone that something is better, and thereby thinks he sees a difference between it and the so called inferior object. AFAIK this has been proven with blind testing of various objects. It's related to preconditioning I'd think.
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But it's a blind test, they don't know which is the so called inferior object, that's the whole point.

I don't buy that.
 
I was thinking of studies which gave expert wine tasters the same middling wine in 2 bottles, one of which identified it as cheap plonk and one as a Grand Cru. The comments they made reflected the labelling, despite the wine being identical.
 
Hadron said:
I was thinking of studies which gave expert wine tasters the same middling wine in 2 bottles, one of which identified it as cheap plonk and one as a Grand Cru. The comments they made reflected the labelling, despite the wine being identical.
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It would be a little obvious if they provided the same image for every device though, don't you think?

I don't see how it's relevant, that just reinforces my believe that most wine connoisseur's talk a load of nonsense.
 
I don't think wine is a good metaphor. Even I can taste the difference between cheap swill and an expensive one and I am only an occasional drinker. It's not a subjective matter.

Shocky - that's the point. You only notice a difference because you know there's a difference.
 
chanchan05 said:
I don't think wine is a good metaphor. Even I can taste the difference between cheap swill and an expensive one and I am only an occasional drinker. It's not a subjective matter.
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It shouldn't be, but that was the point. These people were trained tasters, but despite that they tasted a difference that wasn't there because they were told (by the bottle) that it was. They perceived (or at least reported) what they expected rather than what was actually present.

I'm sure that if they'd been given 2 very different wines in the same bottle they'd have spotted something was up. But this example seemed a reasonable analogy to possible responses to an imperceptible difference in displays because in this case they were perceiving a difference that wasn't there because they'd been told there would be one.
 
Hadron said:
It shouldn't be, but that was the point. These people were trained tasters, but despite that they tasted a difference that wasn't there because they were told (by the bottle) that it was. They perceived (or at least reported) what they expected rather than what was actually present.
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Oh I misunderstood. I thought you were referring to the wine tasting where they weren't told what was what, yet they were able to see a difference.
 
hilmar2k said:
The more I read the less I think it's going to have an 805.

LG G3 Key Features Leaked: No Snapdragon ‘805’ Processor; No Metal-Looking ‘Plastic’ Panel - International Business Times
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There are some good comments at the end of that article that mirror my thoughts. Since the majority of the details are known on this phone, I'm thinking they need a rabbit to pull out of the hat. So I'm hoping its either a false report, or there may be a couple versions depending on geography. This was the case with the Korean version of the G2.
 
chanchan05 said:
Shocky - that's the point. You only notice a difference because you know there's a difference.
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That's ridiculous, there is clearly a difference in the image quality from different cameras, people choose the image they preferred because of that difference and in two blind tests the Galaxy S5 came first.
 
Shocky said:
That's ridiculous, there is clearly a difference in the image quality from different cameras, people choose the image they preferred because of that difference and in two blind tests the Galaxy S5 came first.
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I thought we were talking about screen resolution? Where did the camera talk come from? See Hadron's post on blind testing wine tasters, who mistook a cheaper wine and praised it when they were told it was a well known expensive one.
 
8 days to finally see what's going good to be. I'm certain it's 805 because yup. These days can't be any slower... Argg
 
The au.btimes will write anything to get a hit. They are a dime late and a dollar short on everything except popups to get hits.
 
chanchan05 said:
I thought we were talking about screen resolution? Where did the camera talk come from? See Hadron's post on blind testing wine tasters, who mistook a cheaper wine and praised it when they were told it was a well known expensive one.
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I brought up blind testing first when replying to Hadron about his 16MP example. :D
 
jimbo1mcm said:
The au.btimes will write anything to get a hit. They are a dime late and a dollar short on everything except popups to get hits.
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But they're not the only ones saying it. All of the recent leaks have stated it's going to have an 801. Hopefully they're all wrong. I am not sure it'll be a deal breaker if it doesn't have an 805, but it won't be the slam dunk it otherwise would be.
 
Chicago64 said:
Hello,

The LG G3 is shaping up to possibly be the best phone of 2014. With a 1440p display and a (probably) Snapdragon 805 chipset, its hardware should destroy everything else. However, one question this creates is, how, if at all, the display will affect the battery life. What do you guys think? Will this greatly damage the battery life of the phone?

Thanks,

~Chicago64
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Since Chicago's original question had to do with the G3 display/battery life, the thread has been merged into our ongoing G3 speculation thread where all things G3 are currently being (cussed) and discusssed. :D


IBT
 
hilmar2k said:
But they're not the only ones saying it. All of the recent leaks have stated it's going to have an 801. Hopefully they're all wrong. I am not sure it'll be a deal breaker if it doesn't have an 805, but it won't be the slam dunk it otherwise would be.
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Look. Is true that there have been LG G3 demos phone or early batch devices with 801 and even 1080p display for testing and experiences purposes. But that doesn't determine entirely that lg is going to ditch 805. Don't you think LG already had 805 in consideration, especially with prime devices coming along to compete with LG g3? LG had already considered and my by bite will certainly be that they'll release their consumer final products during the month of the initial release of snapdragon 805. And they have already stated... But as I keep saying everything will become clear in 8 days. :).
 
So all there's left is the saga of 801 vs 805. I'm counting on 805...of course because I want it lol.
 
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