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LG G3 Pre-release/Rumor/Speculation Thread

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Early, no free lunch for sure, but check this out: Remarkable, given the same 28nm fab. Fairy dust for sure.

This is from that anandtech.com article you linked above, so I'm sure you've read it already. Would have been nice for this monster to have been pushing all those extra pixels.

Now we wait patently for those snacks Steven is brining the announcement and some good hard reviews.

They seem to have concentrated on graphics throughput and efficiency. I wouldn't be surprised if a version of this made it into TVs and set top boxes.

If their existing 1440p counterpart (forgot the model number) is doing well (aside from satisfying gamers) with the 801, then I don't expect any changes here, now or downstream.

If others are successful with 805 Prime models, it seems reasonable that LG will follow suit. When top models were released once a year, you had to either switch brands or wait a year for some important improvement. Now, it seems you don't have to wait as long.

For 4 years, my phone has freed me, bit by bit, from dragging a laptop around for work. Since 2012 the change has been significant for me. Even in the office, I often schedule Exchange calendars on my phone because it's faster and easier than with Outlook. I'm not looking for gaming performance or 1440p, I just want to check out something new. This could be it for me.

If you care about gaming and 1440p, maybe an 805 version will be a better choice.

Good choices to have, good for us imo.

Meanwhile, I think that Steven got nervous trying to decide and ate all of our snacks! :(
 
For comparison:
T-Rex HD onscreen
31 fps (S805-2k)
19 fps (S801-2K)(Vivo Xplay 3s,G3 predic.)
27 fps (S801-FHD)(S5-M8)
15fps (S600-FHD)(S4-M7)
40fps (S805-FHD)
23fps (S800-FHD) (G2)
These are not predictions in any way,S805 benchmarks taken from anandtech's review and other benchmarks from gfxbenchmark website.
G2 vs G3 (rumored S801 2k) Gfxbenchmark
Take a look at onscreen performance(Switch to Gfx Bench2.7 from the above tab)
Vivo xplay 3s shares the same specs as the rumored G3(S801-2K )

Also drivers on S805 are still preliminary ,we have already seen some performance boost with newer drivers for adreno 320 so it may improve in future.


See this is one of the major things that scare me. Going from a potential of 31 fps (with the 805) down to 19 fps (with the 801) just sucks. I know it is just a benchmark, but you cannot tell me that given that comparison right there you aren't disappointed. I think you would be able to see the performance difference between the two. The only reason I thought the 805 was a must have is the 2k display. I hope LG proves me wrong and the 801 is more than adequate.

It may not be the be all end all of specs, but EVERYTHING flows through it. The 805 would have made this a significantly better phone.
 
Uhm I wonder what's the real problem. Is it the time frame where they couldn't deliver 805 in time or that they have already optimized their chip to go along well with their screen resolution. I can't imagine LG not having a hard tough decision between the benefits of the 805 or sticking with 801. Idk something seems off.
 
It may not be the be all end all of specs, but EVERYTHING flows through it. The 805 would have made this a significantly better phone.

It's not actually true that everything flows through the GPU.

Most media apps and potentially the entire UI can avoid it, and often do in favor of other image-related cores.

It's another matter for games and other apps targeting the GPU directly.
 
Uhm I wonder what's the real problem. Is it the time frame where they couldn't deliver 805 in time or that they have already optimized their chip to go along well with their screen resolution. I can't imagine LG having a hard thought of the benefits of the 805. Idk something seems off.

Qualcomm is delivering per their schedule, and it's been known by their customers for months.

LG is simply on their own schedule and the two don't agree.

How many 1440p display phones exist right now?

Who gets to say that they were first to market with the feature?
 
As for Letterman, he had a video showing people the old iPhone, telling them that it was the new one, and people made idiots of themselves.

And that's probably my real complaint whenever I hear someone say "general public" or "average consumer" - it's usually a thin mask meaning - dumbass idiot.

And I disagree.

This can't be someone's example. Ever heard of editing? Ever ask yourself how many people they taped who knew the difference, but didn't get into the 30 second video because, well, it isn't funny if they KNOW the difference?
 
Qualcomm is delivering per their schedule, and it's been known by their customers for months.

LG is simply on their own schedule and the two don't agree.

How many 1440p display phones exist right now?

Who gets to say that they were first to market with the feature?

Yes but I'm sure LG has also planned the release for quite a while, and if you tell me along with the statement that Qualcomm stated LG G3 was supposed to be the device with 805 I don't know what happened there either. LG still have time during June by the time they launch their devices, possibly with the new 805... But that's just hopes
 
This can't be someone's example. Ever heard of editing? Ever ask yourself how many people they taped who knew the difference, but didn't get into the 30 second video because, well, it isn't funny if they KNOW the difference?

I want to believe that is exactly what happened and thought so at the time.

In the end, I had to break up flame wars and fanboy fighting over that video. Many believe that it was true and that's all there was to it. Us smart, them dumb. Sad really.

But undeniably that consumer segment exists.
 
Yes but I'm sure LG has also planned the release for quite a while, and if you tell me along with the statement that Qualcomm stated LG G3 was supposed to be the device with 805 I don't know what happened there either. LG still have time during June by the time they launch their devices, possibly with the new 805... But that's just hopes

It's rumor time for another week, anything is possible.
 
It's not actually true that everything flows through the GPU.

Most media apps and potentially the entire UI can avoid it, and often do in favor of other image-related cores.

It's another matter for games and other apps targeting the GPU directly.

I didn't say everything flows through the GPU. I said everything flows through the 805 (CPU & GPU SOC). There might be some small co-processor on some phones that circumvent the main SOC, but I will still say that the vast, vast, vast majority of things flow through the SOC. I was making a larger more overarching point with the second paragraph, separate from the first.

[edit to add:] I will agree that in a lot of things the difference between the two won't be substantial, but as I said earlier, the things that it did improve are important to me, personally. I wanted the higher quality GPU for gaming. I wanted the power efficiency gains for longer battery life. I wanted the improved ISP for better quality pictures. Those three things are the three things I look for in a new phone. Your needs/wants are probably different. I'm not saying that with the 801 it won't be a good phone, I just saying that I'm disappointed that it might not be the phone for me - I really wanted it to be.
 
This quote from the AnandTech article sums up my feelings:
Adreno 420 is a must have if you want to drive a higher resolution display at the same performance as an Adreno 330/1080p display combination. With OEMs contemplating moving to higher-than-1080p resolution screens in the near term, leveraging Snapdragon 805 may make sense there.

I simply don't want to take a step backwards from the performance/smoothness that current devices have.
 
I didn't say everything flows through the GPU. I said everything flows through the 805 (CPU & GPU SOC). There might be some small co-processor on some phones that circumvent the main SOC, but I will still say that the vast, vast, vast majority of things flow through the SOC. I was making a larger more overarching point with the second paragraph, separate from the first.

[edit to add:] I will agree that in a lot of things the difference between the two won't be substantial, but as I said earlier, the things that it did improve are important to me, personally. I wanted the higher quality GPU for gaming. I wanted the power efficiency gains for longer battery life. I wanted the improved ISP for better quality pictures. Those three things are the three things I look for in a new phone. Your needs/wants are probably different. I'm not saying that with the 801 it won't be a good phone, I just saying that I'm disappointed that it might not be the phone for me - I really wanted it to be.

Then yeah, this probably may not be the model for you.

My other point stands - the other cores are part of the SoC. They're at the same level of coprocessing as the GPU.

That's the point of the SoC architecture. See the infographics I posted for both models.
 
The Moto X, according to press idiots and even a former semiconductor executive writing for a financial rag that I argued with, insisted that it used the older S4 Pro.

It was in fact a dual core 800 but because Qualcomm insisted that there would be no such thing, it took a different marketing name - S4 Pro.

Early, I don't think this is correct. The SD processor in Moto X is more like dual S600 plus world LTE modem. S800 has Krait 400, Adreno 330 but the dual core MSM8960DT in Moto X has Krait 300, Adreno 320. Also memory interface is faster on S800 with 800Mhz LPDDR3 though Moto X chip has 500Mhz LPDDR2.


As for 801 vs 805 debate, I tend to think it's probably not that big upgrade I thought it would be. I think 2K screen + 805 would perform just like FHD + 801 or just a little bit faster. It seems the real next big thing from Qualcomm is S810 (64 bit, 8 cores, 20nm features, etc) as you noted.
 
So many of you are writing off this phone before you even see it or hold it in your hands, or even before a single review has been posted from a trusted source. I for one can't wait to see this phone in person. Maybe the performance is lagging, and is noticeable as a result of pairing the 801 with the 2K screen. The specs tell us where to look for possible weaknesses. But it checks almost every box (at least for me), and I can't be anything less than super excited to get my hands on it.
 

I don't think he's claiming an 805, he's saying some people are.

There’s still a bit of a question mark over the LG G3’s processor, with some saying Qualcomm Snapdragon 801, and others claiming that’s just for the prototype; what we’ll actually see on the finished product is the spanking new Qualcomm Snapdragon 805.

The way it's written doesn't make it very clear, though.
 
To be fair to myself tho Drex, when I was using the 90% number, in that context I was talking about the more hardcore faction (bolded above for emphasis). I'm a believer in people doing their homework when it comes time to pony up $$ as I stated but placing all the pre-release stuff under a microscope...that's what we do. And that's who I was referring to there. :)

So I'm not necessarily saying that 9/10 consumers (post release) will choose SoC vs higher resolution. But I do think that number will be significant. Not only based on SoC, but other factors as well.

Then I completely missed your original point, so I accept your argument for sure. The hardcore faction, I'd completely support that 90% being aware (myself included)...LOL. So, that sums it up. Just a mis-understanding on my part.

We can now all carry on to wait in anticipation of this beastly device. That said, let's all hope that LG rushed through including the 805. If not, it wouldn't be surprising to see them have a "prime" version later down the line, just like Samsung and HTC have done.
 
Does it mean LG would skip testing altogether on 805?

That would be really scary.

Yes it would be scary especailly given this from AnandTech: " Since the Snapdragon 805 is an APQ part, it lacks the integrated modem of the MSM SoCs we've found in most of Qualcomm's recent flagships."

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Interesting.....

In our own benchmarking experience with the Snapdragon 805, the processor was clearly not yet ready for primetime. While Qualcomm is expecting as much as a 40-percent improvement over the previous chipset, the actual results put them roughly on a par; in some cases, the Snapdragon 805 was out-performed by the 801-based phones.
 
Early, I don't think this is correct. The SD processor in Moto X is more like dual S600 plus world LTE modem. S800 has Krait 400, Adreno 330 but the dual core MSM8960DT in Moto X has Krait 300, Adreno 320. Also memory interface is faster on S800 with 800Mhz LPDDR3 though Moto X chip has 500Mhz LPDDR2.


As for 801 vs 805 debate, I tend to think it's probably not that big upgrade I thought it would be. I think 2K screen + 805 would perform just like FHD + 801 or just a little bit faster. It seems the real next big thing from Qualcomm is S810 (64 bit, 8 cores, 20nm features, etc) as you noted.

You're absolutely correct about my mistake, it's 600 and I just had too much 800 on the brain when I posted that. I'll go edit that so I don't confuse others reading through. Excellent catch, many thanks! :)
 
After much rumination I have decided to wait till 2015 to buy a new phone.
As a matter of principle, said phone must have a 64-bit SoC since they will be commercially available.

My preference would be for that phone to be the G4 because I so very much love the rear controls.

I'd be happy to change my mind if the G3 is miraculously released with the 805, Odin, or Mediatek 6595. Or if the M8 Prime is released next month (which it won't, and I refuse to buy an 805 phone in late summer/early autumn when I planned on having one next month).

Sigh.
This is a purchase of want, not need, therefore I will not compromise.
 
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