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Mosque Being Built 2 Blocks Away From Ground Zero... What Do You Think?

"..sheep botherer."

I try to steer clear of "lol," but I am laughing out loud at the moment. :D
 
You don't believe that striving for equality, justice and freedom is a good thing! And this is a stance you're proud of!?


Allow me to summarize for you:
Post:
  • 121 I asked you 2 questions.
  • 122 You evaded both questions.
  • 137 You asked me 3 questions.
  • 138 I answered your questions.
  • 144 You asked 1 me question.
  • 146 I answered your question, and asked you a question of 'either or' nature.
  • 147 You evaded answering.
  • 148 I attempted to clarify my understanding of your position, seeing as you'd failed to answer directly ANY of my questions to this point.
  • 150 You attempted to deny part of my clarification, perhaps through lack of understanding.
  • 153 I put you straight on the matter you mis-understood.
  • 155 You resorted to insulting name-calling, and claimed my seeking of clarification was in some way a bad thing (obviously it tears all your piss-poor arguments to shreeds most of the time, and shows your ignorance, but is the truth really such a bad thing?*)
  • 160 I ask you 1 question.
  • 161 You again evade any direct answer.
  • 162 I ask a couple more questions of you, but also point out that you're being evasive in you lack of answers thus far (see above)
  • 163 You fail to answer any questions, and go on to claim that your evasive nature is because I keep asking questions(try answering one occasionally and they might stop IF you can make a coherent argument!) You then go on to underestimate your self saying you ignore most of my 'trivial'(regarding freedom/equality/justice etc. trivial!?!) questions, have some pride in your record smacky, you ignore 100% of my questions!:rolleyes:
  • 169 I ask some more(can't be bothered counting them as it matters not whether 1 or 100, we can all predict I imagine, based on your record, what percentage you'll ignore. One of note however is asking you to back-up your claims that I've not responded to you.
  • 172 You say you won't answer my query to point out where I've failed to respond to you(maybe it's because you know you made it up and don't want to look a twat, maybe you're too busy off hating people different to yourself??) For those of you playing at home, if you had 0% answers, award yourself a point.

Well that's the summary smacky, I've answered 100% of your queries to the point at which you made up the fact that I hadn't, you've answer 0% of my questions with direct answers, but not to worry; I've figured out enough from what you've said to decide how much I value your opinions on this subject:rolleyes:


Kinda thought my position was very clear, but for the record:
The construction project in question, described variously as a community centre or mosque, in the vicinity of New York near to, but not immediately adjacent or just a couple of blocks from 'Ground Zero' proposed, should IMO be allowed to be built, subject to the same building code standards and laws of any construction for similar uses in the area being met. And further, for clarity, the religion of the developers or users of the building should not be taken into account insofar as the decision to allow its building or operation, or the operation and or building of other businesses (such as gay bars) in the immediate area.

Clear enough?*


My jabs aren't random, they're quite deliberately aimed at specific stupid comments you've made. You moccasin-wearing, Boy George lovin', sheep botherer!**


*Obviously these questions are not expecting an answer!
**Okay, that one was quite random!!;)

I'm not reading this post. My opinion still stands. I am right.
 
I wasted all that time making you look foolish, yet you managed to go one better and make yourself look even more foolish in a single line! Bravo!

That, like the shit on the walls of this thread, is your opinion. I wish I had the time on my hands to talk about civil liberties, at end, of a country I don't live in. What is it that you do for a living that allows you wield such a strong weapon that is your prolific mind?
 
You're right of course, it's just my opinion; others might not feel the time was wasted.


What I do for a living has nothing to do with my wielding of my strong, prolific mind, and while I'm happy to answer on-topic questions I don't answer many personal ones online.

Could you clarify that?
 
I think it's already very clear, but if you're really having difficulty with comprehending it then what I mean is that while I agree that whether or not I wasted my time posting something that you claim you didn't read, that proved you to be a fool, is merely my opinion; the fact that you're a fool is not in any doubt.

Also I will not answer your personal questions, as they have no relevance.

...And I'm the fool. :rolleyes:
 
*hasn't read this whole flame-fest*

The one thing that stands out to me is how people keep saying "OMG IT'S NOT A MOSQUE, OMG IT'S LIKE AN INCIDENTAL PRAYER AREA IN A COMMUNITY CENTER, LIKE A CHAPEL IN A HOSPITAL, LOL REDNECKS!!1!"

I have never visited a chapel in a hospital that seats 2,000 people and holds prayer sessions once a week. Just sayin'.
 
*hasn't read this whole flame-fest*

The one thing that stands out to me is how people keep saying "OMG IT'S NOT A MOSQUE, OMG IT'S LIKE AN INCIDENTAL PRAYER AREA IN A COMMUNITY CENTER, LIKE A CHAPEL IN A HOSPITAL, LOL REDNECKS!!1!"

I have never visited a chapel in a hospital that seats 2,000 people and holds prayer sessions once a week. Just sayin'.

The main issue with me is the fact that they know it offends some people, yet they still do it. Yes, you have the right to build wherever you want and practice whatever you do, but if there's this much backlash, why not back off a bit and understand other people's feelings towards it? Why not keep the community center, and build a mosque a little bit away. Plenty of religions have a community center one place and a main place of worship nearby. Why not do that?

If it was a Church being built by GZ, there probably won't be any backlash. However, say if there was some, I would say the same thing. If it offends some people (for whatever reason, assume Islam had nothing to do with 9/11), why not just understand their point of view and just move it else where? This goes for Temples, Synagogues, etc. If it was a Starbucks, and people felt putting a business right on top of GZ was offensive, again, it's not like it's the only mosque, Starbucks, etc. in the area. Either stick with the one now or build elsewhere.

How long has this community center been up and running? Pre-9/11? Then I can understand and maybe swing in their favor. If it was after 9/11, I can still understand, that they didn't have an issue with Islam then, why now? But the main thing to note is a lot of people have emotional attachment to the site or resistance to the religion. If you act despite that, ignoring their feelings, I think it's a bit inconsiderate and is worth questioning the intent.
 
*I have not read this flame-fest, nor do I intend too*

My stance: They have the right to build this Community Centre, why? Well why not, So far I have not heard one reasonable answer to why they should not build it. Bringing up the 9/11 families: Saying that all of them are opposed to the CC is unfounded and unsubstantiated. Has there been a poll of EVERY single person who lost someone? No, do some people's points of views count for every one's? No, why should it.

It is quite sad to see today in America how so brash we can be and how fast we go out of our way to label something. The word Muslim=/= "Terrorist" The word Islamofacist, Radical Extremist, Al-Queda, etc does not pertain to all Muslims, for the Billion or so muslims in the world today, I doubt that less than 3% or so are "Terrorists".


Being against America's foreign policy does not make you a "Extremist", as apparently some people believe.

Ill leave it at this question: Why do you think the CC should not be built, what evidence do you have that it should not be built?
 
I don't think it should be built there. I'm not a racist or a bigot. I feel it is kind of a slap in the face. I believe all people have rights. Mainly, what I hear from the supporters, they have the right to build there.........I don't really give a damn if they have a right to. They shouldn't.
 
I don't think it should be built there. I'm not a racist or a bigot. I feel it is kind of a slap in the face. I believe all people have rights. Mainly, what I hear from the supporters, they have the right to build there.........I don't really give a damn if they have a right to. They shouldn't.

Could you care to elaborate why it is a slap in the face? and why it should not be built there?
 
I don't think it should be built there. I'm not a racist or a bigot. I feel it is kind of a slap in the face. I believe all people have rights. Mainly, what I hear from the supporters, they have the right to build there.........I don't really give a damn if they have a right to. They shouldn't.

I agree. However, I would rather die before I let them be prevented from building there, because we don't like it.

If we take someone's rights away because we don't like what they are doing, then your rights are only safe as long as the majority likes what you are doing. That's not a world anyone wants to live in.
 
Could you care to elaborate why it is a slap in the face? and why it should not be built there?

Not really. I'm not trying to get into a heated debate with you and everyone else that has posted more than 20 times in this thread. The question was what do I think.
 
Not really. I'm not trying to get into a heated debate with you and everyone else that has posted more than 20 times in this thread. The question was what do I think.

I question the intelligence of some of the people that post here. How stupid do you have to be to NOT understand why it's a slap in the face? Is it not obvious?


And I understand the logic behind "if we take it from them, it can be taken from us" regarding rights, but I think it's a very primitive idea when applied realistically in this situation. So because of that, the majority of the nation should live with something that they don't want, because the very same thing could happen to them? If something more dire were to happen to the majority of the nation, I'm pretty sure they would fight back due to strength in numbers. In this case, the side with the strength in numbers is against this mosque.
 
And I understand the logic behind "if we take it from them, it can be taken from us" regarding rights, but I think it's a very primitive idea when applied realistically in this situation.

Primitive? If Rights are not guaranteed to everyone, then they are not guaranteed to anyone. It's as simple as that.

If we can take away someone's rights as long as it's justified, who gets to decide when it's justified? They aren't going to always come and ask you. Do we take a vote. Who gets to decide?

Honestly, either they are a guarantee that will be followed, or they are simply a nice principle we sometimes follow.
 
I question the intelligence of some of the people that post here. How stupid do you have to be to NOT understand why it's a slap in the face? Is it not obvious?


And I understand the logic behind "if we take it from them, it can be taken from us" regarding rights, but I think it's a very primitive idea when applied realistically in this situation. So because of that, the majority of the nation should live with something that they don't want, because the very same thing could happen to them? If something more dire were to happen to the majority of the nation, I'm pretty sure they would fight back due to strength in numbers. In this case, the side with the strength in numbers is against this mosque.

How is it a slap from your point of view? Its a simple question. Plus I am not going back to read 3 pages.

Where do you see the numbers against, I bet you most do not care.
 
On the news, I heard that they are going back to naming it the Cordoba House. Originally, they shied away from naming it that because the battle of Cordoba (Spain) was where the Muslims apparently took away the rights of Christians and Jews to practice their faith.

There are a lot sensitive issues here.
 
This is supposed to be a discussion, not a bash-anyone-who-holds-a-different-viewpoint thread. This may be The Lounge but you're still expected to follow the basic forum rules regarding general conduct, language and civility to others. Please try to remember that we have a global membership of many thousands, and avoid making sweeping generalisations that might offend.

It's also a good idea to read the entire thread before jumping in and commenting, to avoid the risk of taking a post, that may have been made in response to another posted earlier, out of context.
 
You end your post with 'God bless America'. I assume therefore you're a Christian; one of those murderous scum that are happy to see innocent lives taken; even if you don't actually have the willingness to actually kill with your own hand, you applaud the attacks in the back of your mind.

I find your kind despicable.

What a racist thing to say. And assume. Of all the posts you've made, I think this one shows your true colors.
 
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