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The (maybe) "Epic" Motorola X Pre-Release Thread

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I guess battery life might not be as good as I was thinking. Droid-Life posted their review and were getting about 3.5-4 hours of on screen battery time. It doesn't sound bad but it doesn't necessarily scream great like I was thinking.

I didn't see that article, but these guys claim to do a standard test of 4G continuous surfing and got just over 6 hours -

Moto X Phone Battery Life: How it Stacks Up

And, while imperfect, they do claim to test theirs at a standard brightness setting of 40%.

Attention reviewers - 40% is not the same on all phones - buy a freaking light meter and test to that. :banghead:

I have yet to go, mmmhmm 40% looks good enough. I have been known to play with brightness until it looked right however. :rolleyes:
 
I guess battery life might not be as good as I was thinking. Droid-Life posted their review and were getting about 3.5-4 hours of on screen battery time. It doesn't sound bad but it doesn't necessarily scream great like I was thinking.

I didn't see that article, but these guys claim to do a standard test of 4G continuous surfing and got just over 6 hours -

Moto X Phone Battery Life: How it Stacks Up

And, while imperfect, they do claim to test theirs at a standard brightness setting of 40%.

Attention reviewers - 40% is not the same on all phones - buy a freaking light meter and test to that. :banghead:

I have yet to go, mmmhmm 40% looks good enough. I have been known to play with brightness until it looked right however. :rolleyes:

All these non scientific reviews are making me anxious for the AnandTech review. I feel like their reviews are something I can appreciate from an engineering point of view.
 
All these non scientific reviews are making me anxious for the AnandTech review. I feel like their reviews are something I can appreciate from an engineering point of view.

I can appreciate a scientific review, but at the same time I like seeing everyone post about how much battery life they are getting. I usually think I will get a little more than most of them simply because they are probably on their phone more.

But with better standard testing we get a more accurate testing on how it compares to others, so I like both.
 
I would drop $350 on this phone ($400 would be fine as well for the 32GB version) if it were offered at that. But lets be realistic here. The Idea was for this to be on all carriers and be the "everyman" phone. I don't foresee Google thumbing their nose at the carriers by dropping a phone that's less than double the price with none of the carrier fluff and contract hassle.

It would effectively be selling phones to the carrier they would have a much smaller chance of selling. You think ATT or VZ would put up with that and still carry their phones moving forward? Doubtful.

But I suppose we can dream. :p
 
Ok - so - Moto is a bad investment because the phone is passe and last year's specs - and - it's shaping up to save Motorola and stop the bleeding.

Oh, financial blogosphere, please don't ever change! :adore:
 
Ok - so - Moto is a bad investment because the phone is passe and last year's specs - and - it's shaping up to save Motorola and stop the bleeding.

Oh, financial blogosphere, please don't ever change! :adore:

Yeah, how much of the $500 million ad budget is going to be spent here at AF and how much will be plastered all over TV, Faceplant, billboards, etc. The marketing people and the people being tarteted wouldn't know a Tegra chip from a Targus laptop case.:rolleyes:
 
It really is amazing to me how often that phrase is tossed around. "mid level specs" .

Does anyone else remember when the good old USA was about innovation? I mean does anyone say "OH I GOTTA HAVE A 12 CYLINDER MOTOR CAUSE THEY MAKE EM THAT BIG"?

Look it's the cell phone equivalent of the Ford Eco Boost, it's a 6 cyl motor that makes the power of a V8, how? TECHNOLOGY, INNOVATION, IMAGINATION, not being stuck in the same old rut.

Someone at Ford thought, you know if we do things differently, we can save on weight, save on fuel, save on materials, and still make the same bulk horsepower and torque. It was revolutionary.

In my humble opinion, the X is the same way. We can do things the way they have always been done and go bigger but what do we gain? This provides the same speed and smoothness where you need it, where you notice it, but with less battery drain and the biggest thing I have heard lately ... NO HEAT UP IN YOUR HAND.

I mean lets put aside the revolutionary SOFTWARE (notifications and touchless) and just focus on hardware. I still think this phone is really special and truly innovative. Motorola went for a visionary new approach and they are getting hammered for it.

I am shocked really. Few appreciate whats really going on with this phone.
 
Very nice analogy.

The reason why the blogosphere doesn't get it, is because no one cares about minutes per mAh. Why work on the efficiency of the device, when you could just put more power, and make up for it with a bigger battery. It's the same thing that caused mass denunciations of the DNA, when it's battery capacity was disclosed. Never mind the actual performance, it can't perform, because it doesn't have the numbers. :p
 
Get's down off soap box and buttons up shirt to cover his Moto Fan Boy t-shirt.
:o

Sorry I just get carried away.

I can't help but think where this innovation could lead. Smaller, faster, lighter phones that get great battery life and have processing power to spare.

Can you imagine if there was a quad core phone that had additional processors to handle the mundane tasks that generally eat battery? The moto X 10 architecture. ??

Sorry, I get carried away, it's my history of watching Star Trek. Technology gets me juiced up.
 
As taken from my combination communicator / tricorder, aka my LTEvo (the app that CBS doesn't want you to have)...
 

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As taken from my combination communicator / tricorder, aka my LTEvo (the app that CBS doesn't want you to have)...

I used to have THAT APP. LOVE IT!
Color me jealous, I was unable to pull it off my Atrix 4G and load it onto my new phone as I do not root.

:(
 
It really is amazing to me how often that phrase is tossed around. "mid level specs" .

Someone at Ford thought, you know if we do things differently, we can save on weight, save on fuel, save on materials, and still make the same bulk horsepower and torque. It was revolutionary.

In my humble opinion, the X is the same way. We can do things the way they have always been done and go bigger but what do we gain? This provides the same speed and smoothness where you need it, where you notice it, but with less battery drain and the biggest thing I have heard lately ... NO HEAT UP IN YOUR HAND.

I mean lets put aside the revolutionary SOFTWARE (notifications and touchless) and just focus on hardware. I still think this phone is really special and truly innovative. Motorola went for a visionary new approach and they are getting hammered for it.

I am shocked really. Few appreciate whats really going on with this phone.

To be fair the specs are mid level overall and I know everyone is getting all up in arms when people say its a dual core as opposed to the quad cores. And I know everyone really wants to like this phone. But think about it, right now dual cores are fine, most software has not been optimized for it. In a year or less (its already starting to happen) though quad cores will be common and software will be taking advantage of the hardware. where do you think the dual core phones will be then? some of the soon to be released mid level phones are even starting to get quad cores.

We are seeing this phenomina in the PC market were a lot of games/heavy software is being optimized for quad cores and dual core are struggling to keep up, its just how software is evolving right now. Phones for the most part follow PC tech as it gets miniaturized and so does the software.

whats even more interesting is that they could have given this phone a quad core and kept a lot of the battery efficiency the dual core has. The tech is there RIGHT NOW, they just chose not to use it.

So what will probably happen is the hero version of the Moto X will be released in 6 months to a year from now and it will have the quad core and other really high end specs and all the people who were singing the praises of dual cores will sing the praises of the quad. The current Moto X will drop to 50-100 on contract and things will be as they should be.

I'm not bashing the Moto X i think its an interesting device but boiled down your basically getting a nice customizable phone with a smooth interface, nice battery life a avg to below avg camera and tech that will probably be soon outdated and is currently available for 50%-90% less. The always on stuff is interesting but a bit gimmicky to me and might even turn out to be slightly invasive. I would not be surprised if google used it for researching wake/sleep habits routines etc for advertising purposes or other research.

In the end if im going to pay for a super phone I expect super phone specs even if I don't need then RIGHT now... cause based on how software evolves I will probably need them in the near future. those "super phone specs" will allow for a very pleasant user experience over the next 1-2 years finally starting to feel a little sluggish in its 3rd.

If I pay for a mid spec phone I expect a mid spec device that will comfortably last me a year or so but will soon after start feeling a bit long in the tooth. But why would I pay super phone prices for that? even if it has a nice experience now.

The car analogy is good but has one flaw... for a car its effective speed is artificially limited to the local speed limits allowing a 4 cylinder echo car to get to the same location at about the same speed as a 12 cylinder sports car, those speed limits rarely change and for the most part they decrease instead of increase if they do change. For phone tech its different, there is no artificial limit on how fast you can load a web page, take a picture or load an app other then the speed of your hardware and your software optimization. Not only that but software evolves and typically becomes more demanding, requiring tech to keep up.

lol wow this post got way longer then i meant for it too, hopefully someone enjoys the read!
 
Ok, time once again to debunk the whole optimization of software vs. cores.

When dual cores hit in 2011, Android apps immediately took advantage of them without change - screenshots to prove that upon request.

Why?

Apps are written with what we call threads - threads of control. A properly written app has as few or as many as is required. Each thread operates to do a job, and communicates with other threads to maintain synchronization.

A music app for example may have a thread for the UI and one to to manage accessing storage where the songs are and sending them off to the underlying Linux services that actually plays the music - and that will be in another thread.

That's really a Mickey Mouse example but it illustrates clearly enough.

Android apps have been built that way since all we had were single cores in the world.

No re-writing or optimizing is required for threads to be split out to separate cores.

Linux has been doing that for ages and the job control ability for that has been there all along - and significantly improved at ICS when we got in line with desktop Linux on that.

Qualcomm was the first to build asynchronous multicore processors, now they all are.

In a quad core, it will run 1, 2, 3 or all 4 cores - all at independent speeds and voltages - depending on the apps at the time.

If an app design calls for 2 threads, 4 cores won't help and you can't rewrite it to somehow be optimized for that.

If an app design calls for 6 threads but they can't parallelize because of intended sequencing, then they won't be distributed to any more cores than the scheduler determines.

Multicore optimization outside the primitive iOS world is simply a non-sequitur here.

whats even more interesting is that they could have given this phone a quad core and kept a lot of the battery efficiency the dual core has. The tech is there RIGHT NOW, they just chose not to use it.
That's simply not true at all.

A quad core _might_ have performed as efficiently - provided that two of the cores went unused, in which case you don't care.

Or - a quad core _might_ have performed as efficiently - provided that all cores were active and running slower to accomplish the same thing as two cores running faster.

No software optimization required - that's luck of the draw.


To be fair the specs are mid level overall...
Each CPU core here is a Krait 300.

No other dual core uses that CPU.

It's the same CPU being using on the top-of-the-line Qualcomm quadcore.

It uses the same GPU as the top of the line Qualcomm quadcore.

It uses specialize low-power cores for its additional features - other phones are relying on the high-power CPUs for everything, and hence - use quads.

The truth is here. Not a mid-level processor.
 
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