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The (maybe) "Epic" Motorola X Pre-Release Thread

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halon said:
Huh?

The X comes out this month for Verizon. However you can only customize on AT&T until November and then you can customize on the other carriers.
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Read that again. It said IF the X came out as late as the One on Verizon, it wouldn't make a stir either.


halon said:
So that q&a was canceled ?
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His Q&A wasn't cancelled. He just thought it was. 3 times.

Every link I could find led me to event cancelled, thanks to that screw up.

I guess the whole point of the "hangout" was for us to watch a youtube later.

First and last hangout I'm ever going to bother with - ever. But that's just me.
 
EarlyMon said:
Read that again. It said IF the X came out as late as the One on Verizon, it wouldn't make a stir either.




His Q&A wasn't cancelled. He just thought it was. 3 times.

Every link I could find led me to event cancelled, thanks to that screw up.

I guess the whole point of the "hangout" was for us to watch a youtube later.

First and last hangout I'm ever going to bother with - ever. But that's just me.
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Yea, that hangout was essentially a 30 minute commercial for the X. No new technical points of any kind.
 
I was impressed by all the reports that this phone was snappy despite its specs.

After 2 years my GNEX was CRAWLING. I installed 4.3 and after TRIM was able to do its thing, my phone is super snappy again. Its so good that I lost the "itch" to upgrade.

I wonder whether all along, the speed of android was being held back by the lack of TRIM on their devices. I also installed the Greenify app to keep random applications from opening when they wanted and frankly, I'm not sure if I need a quad core anymore.


On a different note. On TWIT I heard Miriam from engadget say that all snapdragon processors had additional low power cores which could be used for language recognition. She suggested that always listening could be added via software to other devices. Any thoughts?
 
If you really want this phone then move to Canada RIGHT NOW. Rodgers will have limited quantities for sale this weekend. :D

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Rogers-confirms-that-it-is-selling-limited-quantities-of-the-Motorola-Moto-X-this-weekend_id46510

The Motorola Moto X is priced at $189.99 with a two-year pact, and $549.99 with no contract. Earlier this month, Rogers said that it will have the exclusive right to sell the Motorola Moto X in Canada.
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$549, Canadian money. What's that in US?
 
Germwise said:
I was impressed by all the reports that this phone was snappy despite its specs.

After 2 years my GNEX was CRAWLING. I installed 4.3 and after TRIM was able to do its thing, my phone is super snappy again. Its so good that I lost the "itch" to upgrade.

I wonder whether all along, the speed of android was being held back by the lack of TRIM on their devices. I also installed the Greenify app to keep random applications from opening when they wanted and frankly, I'm not sure if I need a quad core anymore.


On a different note. On TWIT I heard Miriam from engadget say that all snapdragon processors had additional low power cores which could be used for language recognition. She suggested that always listening could be added via software to other devices. Any thoughts?
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What is TRIM?
 
not sure if its been stated or not, but is the 32gig going to be available on Verizon when its released? or only through the Moto maker in Nov??

i need a 32gig as my GNex is 32gig and i only have 13gig storage left, so 16gig is not even an option
 
krs128 said:
not sure if its been stated or not, but is the 32gig going to be available on Verizon when its released? or only through the Moto maker in Nov??

i need a 32gig as my GNex is 32gig and i only have 13gig storage left, so 16gig is not even an option
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Only through MotoMaker in November.
 
Went to att today and got my account all set up. Switching from sprint. Now just have to wait fry this beauty to release. Can not wait. This is gonna be a long week. Gotta go order my zagg screen lol
 
Germwise said:
On a different note. On TWIT I heard Miriam from engadget say that all snapdragon processors had additional low power cores which could be used for language recognition. She suggested that always listening could be added via software to other devices. Any thoughts?
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Miriam is dreaming. Or she's from outer space. Or another planet.

Snapdragons have lots of cores - always have.

They vary by Snapdragon model.

In Miriam's world, you can program one of the DSP (digital signal processing) cores to do that job.

That will entail plenty of other management work internally on the Snapdragon.

And a boatload of software that you're going to load into the CPU first to manage things.

DSPs are not considered low-power cores. They themselves take less power because they're ancillary cores - but that's it.

Several of us already postulated that Motorola would go that route.

They didn't. They did it right.

Those apps she's imagining will NOT run as efficiently as what's built-in to the Moto X in any way, shape or form.

Statements by people who theorize how things work instead of knowing are called bloggers and they are the bane of our existence.

But - theoretically, could you do it?

Yes.

Would you want to?

Not if you want some battery life.

Was her use of the expression "other low power cores" sensationalist and misleading?

That's the polite way of saying what she said.

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There are no hidden, secret, top-secret general purpose low-power CPUs on any Snapdragon. Never has been.

recDNA said:
What is TRIM?
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It's mentioned earlier in the thread - it's like a Windows hard disk defrag thing - only for solid state storage.
 
EarlyMon said:
Miriam is dreaming. Or she's from outer space. Or another planet.

Snapdragons have lots of cores - always have.

They vary by Snapdragon model.

In Miriam's world, you can program one of the DSP (digital signal processing) cores to do that job.

That will entail plenty of other management work internally on the Snapdragon.

And a boatload of software that you're going to load into the CPU first to manage things.

DSPs are not considered low-power cores. They themselves take less power because they're ancillary cores - but that's it.

Several of us already postulated that Motorola would go that route.

They didn't. They did it right.

Those apps she's imagining will NOT run as efficiently as what's built-in to the Moto X in any way, shape or form.

Statements by people who theorize how things work instead of knowing are called bloggers and they are the bane of our existence.

But - theoretically, could you do it?

Yes.

Would you want to?

Not if you want some battery life.

Was her use of the expression "other low power cores" sensationalist and misleading?

That's the polite way of saying what she said.

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There are no hidden, secret, top-secret general purpose low-power CPUs on any Snapdragon. Never has been.



It's mentioned earlier in the thread - it's like a Windows hard disk defrag thing - only for solid state storage.
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I know I have heard from multiple sources. I thought one was fairly official that the Snapdragon 800 was capable of the always listening feature but I have no idea if it will have any semblance of battery life responding from it.
 
themax4814 said:
I know I have heard from multiple sources. I thought one was fairly official that the Snapdragon 800 was capable of the always listening feature but I have no idea if it will have any semblance of battery life responding from it.
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Anything is capable of always listening by being always awake.

I'm sensing a general belief that
blogosphere writers at large somehow know things and that certain processors somehow contain parts not disclosed in the data sheets or development documentation. The only one I've talked to that isn't lost on the subject is Brian Klug.
 
EarlyMon said:
Anything is capable of always listening by being always awake.

I'm sensing a general belief that
blogosphere writers at large somehow know things and that certain processors somehow contain parts not disclosed in the data sheets or development documentation. The only one I've talked to that isn't lost on the subject is Brian Klug.
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I really thought that I've seen a quote from Google or Qualcomm saying that the 800 specifically could handle the always on microphone. I'm not sure if that is the case though but I did think it was interesting that I had only heard it about the 800. From the Qualcomm information about the processors it looked like the biggest difference was the Adreno 330 instead of the 320.
 
Using Moto Maker to design a Moto X: A walk-through

Once the Moto X launches and Motorola begins taking orders from the public sometime in the coming weeks, Moto Maker will also be fired up online and in AT&T stores. Motorola reps told me at the Moto X unveiling that other carriers and retailers may also have Moto Maker design stations in their outlets later on, but in the beginning, it's just AT&T.

You may be also able to order the Moto X from other carriers that don't have Moto Maker stations in-store in the beginning, though. In that case, Motorola says it'll basically sell you a card with a scratch-off code that you can use to access Moto Maker online from home and design your phone on the carrier that you bought the code from.
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Am I reading that wrong?

EDIT: Never mind. I think they are saying after the At&t exclusivity if the store you are getting it from doesn't have a Motomaker station you get a code and do at home. Just disregard this whole post :)
 
halon said:
Using Moto Maker to design a Moto X: A walk-through



Am I reading that wrong?

EDIT: Never mind. I think they are saying after the At&t exclusivity if the store you are getting it from doesn't have a Motomaker station you get a code and do at home. Just disregard this whole post :)
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They did say other carriers, but I think it was just poorly worded.

I love the woven white back, and was just going to do the all white, but I was thinking of changing some of the accent colors, maybe the ring around the camera or the buttons. I really like plain things though, so I will probably just do white.

It appears the black and white might be the only woven backs and the rest are just soft touch.

The dumb thing though is Motomaker should just be allowed to do it on your computer to begin with, why would you need a code anyways?
 
Did some comparisons of the stock Moto cam vs stock Google cam vs Camera JB+ this weekend to see if putting different camera software on the Moto X could make the cam better. I was going to do a big long post with loads of pics and whatnot, but 1) it's too early for me and I don't feel like it haha 2) I came to a rather obvious conclusion and 3) I'm pretty sure I'm not getting the Moto X now after some careful deliberation.

TL; DR - Get Camera JB+ if your camera sucks. It's not perfect (burst mode isn't real burst mode) but it takes decent pics and shoots in 16:9. If you're cheap and just want a better camera, google search "droid life google camera apk" and sideload that shit :D

Long Version - The point of all this was to try and make the Moto X cam better since it sucks apparently. Camera and battery life (more on battery life later) are very important to me in a phone, probably the two most important things to me in a phone. My current phone is a Razr Maxx HD, bought mainly for the battery obviously. The camera sucks though, so one day I eventually downloaded the stock Google camera apk off Droid Life, and my camera became useable!!!

Then came along the Moto X. It looked sweet, but the camera (or the software at least, because the problem seems most likely to be Moto's software and not the hardware) looked not so sweet. So EarlyMon suggest someone (who had a Razr HD I believe) use Camera JB+. I did this as well.

After some testing in low light and well lite situations, I've found that the Moto cam sucks (lulz, super obvious) and that the stock Google cam apk and Camera JB+ are the exact same in terms of raw pics taken (JB+ is based off the stock Google cam, so not a shocker). JB+ offers filters and whatnot though, and also the ability to shot at 6MP for a 16:9 aspect ratio. Sadly, the stock Google cam only shoots at 16:9 at 2MP. So for that reason alone, JB+ is worth the $2 price tag for me.

Another aspect of camera JB+ that was tested was saving the JPEG files at different quality levels. You can save it at low, medium, high, and ultra. The higher the quality, the less compression (and hopefully less grain). The difference between the Google pic and the JB+ pics were minimal. The Google pics usually are the same size as the high JB+ pics (roughly), and the difference between high and ultra JB+ pics is hard to see unless you really zoom in and take a look around. If a photo has grain, it has grain, ultra quality ain't gonna help out all that much. That being said the difference between low and ultra was very noticeable, but not between high and ultra.

And finally... we come to burst mode. In short, the burst mode on JB+ is a joke. I was excited to see it had burst mode, but after playing with it just once, I knew it was a lemon. Instead of taking (I don't know the exact number) 10 shots in one second (like the HTC One or GS4) JB+ takes about 2 shots per second. It's not real burst mode, not gonna bother to even use it again tbh :(

So, all in all, I'd say go with JB+ simply for the larger file sizes and ability to shoot in 16:9 at 6MP. If you don't care about file size or aspect ratio, by all means go with stock Google cam. I will say though, with the Google cam apk, quite often when I back out of it, it takes me to Google Now. It's a bug. That never happened with the Moto cam or the JB+ cam. Just a warning :)
 
Wolfedude88 said:
They did say other carriers, but I think it was just poorly worded.

I love the woven white back, and was just going to do the all white, but I was thinking of changing some of the accent colors, maybe the ring around the camera or the buttons. I really like plain things though, so I will probably just do white.

It appears the black and white might be the only woven backs and the rest are just soft touch.

The dumb thing though is Motomaker should just be allowed to do it on your computer to begin with, why would you need a code anyways?
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From what I gathered you can just do it at home. The station at the store so you can see and feel them before you order.
 
Now, as far as battery life goes as I mentioned above, I just can't leave my Maxx HD. I've become to accustomed to getting 2 days (yes, 2 full days) on one charge. All the reviews I read for phones (HTC One, GS4, Moto X, etc) say it gets you through a day (some of them it's just the work day :O). This is unacceptable to me. I just can't trade my current phone (which I love and runs great still).

For example, here's the battery life I got last weekend using my phone normally:
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And here's what I got so far this weekend (all day Saturday and Sunday morning):

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I still think the Moto X looks pimp and love the customization and all that, but I need battery life. Perhaps when they release the Moto X2 they will put a bigger battery in there, at least 3,000 mAh, though hopefully more like 3,500 mAh.
 
vicshalls said:
From what I gathered you can just do it at home. The station at the store so you can see and feel them before you order.
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That is what I thought but if you read the article just posted it says stores that don't have stations setup they would give you a code to order online. Maybe I am just over thinking it. Or once again that site has it poorly worded.
 
themax4814 said:
I really thought that I've seen a quote from Google or Qualcomm saying that the 800 specifically could handle the always on microphone. I'm not sure if that is the case though but I did think it was interesting that I had only heard it about the 800. From the Qualcomm information about the processors it looked like the biggest difference was the Adreno 330 instead of the 320.
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http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/processors/800-600-400-200/specs

Always on microphones -

http://itersnews.com/?p=25701

From the article, it also features the ability to use gestures - except that's also found on SGS4 with a Snapdragon 600.

The blogs are recycling info from last February.

If there's a new core built in, I'll eat crow, I've done it before.

They're quoting the CEO as saying that it's done with firmware and will be low power. OK. Show me. :)
 
Are we still thinking the 32 GB will not be available in store on Friday? I am in a tough spot with a vacation and where to ship the device (first world problems, I know :D). If I have to build it on Friday, I can get it shipped to where I will be the following week. The problem is being unsure of Moto Maker and understanding their could be issues, I could be left with a phone shipped to a place I will no longer be.

Of course, I could always wait, but then what would be the point of being hopelessly addicted to technology.
 
mush10 said:
Are we still thinking the 32 GB will not be available in store on Friday? I am in a tough spot with a vacation and where to ship the device (first world problems, I know :D). If I have to build it on Friday, I can get it shipped to where I will be the following week. The problem is being unsure of Moto Maker and understanding their could be issues, I could be left with a phone shipped to a place I will no longer be.

Of course, I could always wait, but then what would be the point of being hopelessly addicted to technology.
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Call an AT&T store and ask them.
 
Would depend on how long youare gonna be gone. I ppersonally would wait or have it shipped to someplace you can get to it when you get home. Kinda wondering of the 4 days is working days. Plan to order mine Friday hoping it will show up Tuesday. Lol
 
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