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What the heck is the deal with iphone users Vs Android users

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REALLY!? Id smack him! LOL I would ask him if he can change his text tones? Ha can he run 4G! LMAO! Yes I know we don't have it yet either. One HUGE thing that my android can do and my wife and room mates ios can't do is stream wirelessly to my ps3, my music, pictures and movies.
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According to him he can do all of that with his jailbroken iphone 4....
 
Gads, another thread I had to merge with this big "android vs iphone" thread. :rolleyes:

I suppose the "fauxn" thing can be funny. Something like "androol" or "hem-droid," as we see in the iPhone forums.
 
Both phones have their pluses and minuses. One is not "better" than the other. Where I work if we want to watch something streaming from Justin.TV we use a co-workers IP4 as it does this task better than my android. If we need to listen to a local radio station's stream from the internet we use my phone as it requires the flash player the IP4 lacks. Just find out what your specific needs are and buy a phone according to those needs. Don't buy a phone and try to justify to others why it's the best for everyone.
 
So Im a new EVO/Android user.

Palm before. Rarely rarely rarely ever hung or glitched.

Evo is faster and prettier. (not much faster) But MUCH prettier. Everything UI pics just everything.

But maintaining smooth operation is like owning a Ferrari. You better know how to work on it yourself or hire a full time mechanic. Which is sad b/c I meet EVO users 'stuck' with a crappy working phone b/c they dont know how.

Mine glides like warm butter but it takes constant maint.

Grass - Thought blackberry was like palm. Nope friend went through three phones b/c of constant problems.

Iphone - Never owned one but friend says hers never freezes and works fine all the time.

Capability? Evo. Smoothness? Idk.
Beauty? Evo. Net speed hands down Sprint. 6-8mb on 4g in San Antonio. Oddly in Chicago like 2-3mb.
 
EarlyMon said:
As for the price of Apple hardware - that debate will never die. I don't buy cheap hardware for my Linux servers - the one across the room in my den is a pricey HP business workstation. People pick what they pick and the price is just the price.
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While you are right the price is the price I do think that the price debate is something that can't be just overlooked. I did buy cheap hardware for my gaming rig. However, cheap =/= to lack of quality either.
I'm sitting next to an 11 year old Mac and everything on it still just works - I can't complain. Just like my 10 year old OpenBSD/HP firewall. Didn't save a buck on either - but haven't had to replace either in that time for the jobs they do.
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There is an 8 year old Hewlett Packard (maybe older?) sitting by my brothers desk. The only reason it isn't being used anymore is because my parents decided to upgrade anyway.

I do admit it had a few hardware issues over the years but, I don't blame the pc for that. it was a pre built box and although it doesn't accumulate dust the way cases with mesh fronts do, the poor thing was never cleaned once in 8 years. However, it can still do anything it would have been originally bought to do.
Neither will I argue that they're the best value - but they can be. When I can carry one laptop instead of two or three - I'm ahead of the money game.

Also - here's an interesting anecdote - ok, maybe interesting. I had an earlier MacBook Pro running Windows XP under Parallels (a VMWare alternative) controlling fast-as-possible instrumentation over a USB/GPIB adapter. (For demo purposes - real installations use a dedicated WinPC controller.) One of my partners plugged in his new Lenovo laptop (and I think those are pretty good) - **identical specs** to my Mac - and his ran those real-time processes 8% slower.
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When you say identical are you talking same parts manufacturers et al?
I mean you can have two 7200 rpm hard drives and still get different results from different manufacturers. Now would also be a good time to mention, I am not trying to argue or anything, I am only trying to discuss this in a good natured way.

There - we matched price stories and where did that lead? In my opinion, not really anywhere - the price is just the price and every side has _srsly important_ anecdotes about performance and specs.

(And just to be clear - some Mac hardware is a flaming ripoff, some is a great value - if and only if it fits your use case.)
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Given your example of being able to do cross platform work, I can say that it would be nice.

Given my teacher who has a PHD and develops for unix who doesn't want to have to possibly hack linux drivers and can afford osx and actually has real uses for it, then I think its fine.

However, there seems to be a recurring "laptop workhorse use" theme for a limited market.

I mean tying back to original conversation, it gives validation for the mac platform to be used by nerds but, thats he mac os, not much else for apple as a whole.

And this is just me personally but, if OSX were usable on whatever hardware I want.. Hell on any INTEL machine's I want I could deal with that. However, again this does come back to cost which we can argue over all day long... However, I refuse to buy hardware at premium price that I can't mod myself. I can give them some slack in laptop world. Laptops have limited upgradeability anyway, and laptops are usually already a more expensive purchase than a desktop.

Once upon a time, I hoped the Linux desktop would work for everyone - I have no love of Apple or Microsoft in their tyranny.

However - both are effective at walling things off so that the common consumer is better served choosing one or the other because most people learn by sharing peer experiences.

It still takes a little more effort and knowledge to operate Linux - not much, but it can make the difference. Not in theory - but in practice - because of the lack most people have with sharing peer experience.

For people that want simple, just works, Macs are cheap at twice the price. For people whose industry-specific software requires Windows, PCs are cheap at twice the price.
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I do think if we are going to discuss industry then it does become something of a different conversation.

Anything involving industry usually comes at a premium. Hell if we are to discuss businesses mac actually starts to make about as much sense as pc in the high end because they can legally run any OS.

But for those that want to just plug in the biggest-selling PMP (iPod) or run the MS suite - Linux doesn't cut it.

Like it or not, for the longest time, OS X became the most-used desktop *nix in the world.
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Sadly I agree 100% with linux being inadequate on both of those levels. If manufacturers started supporting it, that would be very nice
Now - it might be Android.

I couldn't be more pleased. I'm even liking the dream and idea of one day having all-Android PCs in my house - because for home use, I like the idea of computers as appliances.
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I had no idea there was even a desktop android client x.x
Last week my daughter bought a Verizon iP4 for $170+contract. She wanted to hold out for the ThunderBolt but balked at the price. For her - she has a phone with email, web and most importantly - Skype - so she's a 100% happy camper. She manages a genetics QA lab, so she's no stranger to tech or computers.

Her husband - the poster fan for the iPod Touch - is upset she got yesterday's tech in a phone and didn't go Android. So long as she doesn't get dropped calls (hasn't happened yet, thank goodness) peace may yet happen in my family.

It takes all kinds to make up the world. I'd rather there were several perfect operating systems rather than several imperfect ones, but I'd still support them all, because there's a bigger principle at stake for me personally:

The world would be a boring place if we all thought the same way and we as a society are losing our ability to actually rise up and know that it's ok to agree to disagree.
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While it does take all kinds to make up a world, and I do try to be as open minded as possible.. I do think that (in regards to original topic). there is a difference between being comfortable with tech as necessity and it being a required capability, and defining yourself as a nerd/tech savvy person.

My stake as far as what we have been discussing goes centers mostly around my dislike that people seem to believe apple in some way appeals to nerds. as I have said throughout, Yes some tech savvy people and nerds will gravitate to apple for various reasons. Yes apple does have a few advantages for geeks/nerds/hackers/whatever else. However, as a whole, I hate that people seem to associate apple as a brand for tech savvy people, when apple literally markets simplicity as their selling point.

You don't associate windows with the "tech savvy" crowd because a majority of its users and a majority of the people who buy their products are not really any more tech savvy than anyone else.

Apple's majority user base isn't tech savvy, nor do they care to be.

And I am not saying that all tech savvy people for some reason or another loathe simplicity. However, apple's products as a whole do lack a degree of control or flexibility that I don't think is very forgivable. Yes, the mac osx can be separated to some degree from other products.

However, as a whole apple products are almost anti nerd/geek. They don't want you taking things out the case, they don't want you examining contents or poking around file systems/having access to terminal ect ect ect.
People see me with a Mac laptop and usually pass judgment on me - either for being an Apple loser or for being Apple-cool.

But I think I am a human being, not defined by my possessions and certainly not defined by which corporation got my dough.
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I agree and disagree to be completely honest. I don't believe it is right to solely judge someone based off of the purchases they make however, I do think that stereotypes and discrimination exist for a reason. My girlfriend being the prime example. when i met her despite an interest in computers.. she was more or less totally ignorant of hardware value/what osx is and hence she got an "easy to use, virus free" mac.

I do think how we spend our money says quite a lot about us. I don't believe that is something that can be evaluated just by a glance at the apple logo.. but, I hate to say this.. Apple users seem to fall into two categories. A. my girlfriend or B. People like yourself who have years of experience with multiple oses. There doesn't seem to be a lot of middle ground.

(And could I accomplish nearly all of this with a Linux or Win laptop or PC and VMWare and skip the Mac part? Yes. So why do I carry what I carry? Because basically _anyone_ can come up and ask me if I can run something or read something or help with something and without asking their OS, I can say yes. And that ability to connect with people is more important to me than the price or anything else I might be wrong about.)
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As strange as it is for some reason I understand this. You have the ability to be less bias than people who pre judge you for your choice in hardware/os and can give commentary on any os.
Finally - tip of the topper to you for being young and choosing Linux rather than pirating what you can't afford with Windows. When you're older, you'll have more disposable income, you'll see the price is just the price and when you look back, you'll find a lot of thing you believed were price-safe - weren't as much as they seemed at the time.
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I have been raised to be frugal. I am lucky I get Win7 from my school for free but, truth be told if I wasn't a cmps major I could get by with just linux since I wouldn't need visual studios ect ect ect.

If I wanted a mac I could probably get one from my parents since they can afford it. I personally can't justify mac for reasons outside of cost.

I am a lot more open to the idea of a mac laptop than I ever was but, still not a desktop and really not many other apple products.
Computers and personal electronics are like cars. They're a sunk cost no matter what you choose, a purchase and not an investment. A car is really only faster than walking. Think about that and draw your own analogies.

Anyway - those are my opinions. I've been wrong before and could be wrong here.
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I disagree though.

I think a lot of people poorly pick their cars but, then again, we don't exactly live in a world where people research what they need to know.. they justify in their head their purchase then buy it, environment, necessity, cost, and quality be damned, people want what they want to hell with logic.
 
Snow_Fox said:
When you say identical are you talking same parts manufacturers et al?
I mean you can have two 7200 rpm hard drives and still get different results from different manufacturers. Now would also be a good time to mention, I am not trying to argue or anything, I am only trying to discuss this in a good natured way.
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I don't take it as arguing - but arguing is ok, too. ;)

Same specs meant same drive rotation, same Intel 2-core at same speed, same memory, same listed features. When doing real-time ops, tho, nothing was spooling to disc at that that time. So, the difference had to be the glue logic was our guess. Given the additional software layers, we were quite surprised.


However, there seems to be a recurring "laptop workhorse use" theme for a limited market.

I mean tying back to original conversation, it gives validation for the mac platform to be used by nerds but, thats he mac os, not much else for apple as a whole.
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If there were a perfect solution, we'd all buy it.

And this is just me personally but, if OSX were usable on whatever hardware I want.. Hell on any INTEL machine's I want I could deal with that. However, again this does come back to cost which we can argue over all day long... However, I refuse to buy hardware at premium price that I can't mod myself. I can give them some slack in laptop world. Laptops have limited upgradeability anyway, and laptops are usually already a more expensive purchase than a desktop.
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Not going to happen and you'd be better off with Windows or Linux.

Apple moves iron - that's their #1 deal. All software (where software also includes movies and music) for them exists for one reason only - to move their iron.

OS X is stable and works because they don't have to support a wide range of peripherals - just their own junk.

I do think if we are going to discuss industry then it does become something of a different conversation.
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Yep. I got a G4 because I was intrigued with the PowerPC's Altivec math processor, and was helping some people out doing fluid-flow calculations. I was intrigued to find it sported Open Firmware (something evilly dropped when they went the Intel processors) - and I was going to sell it super-cheap as a write-off to some artist friends who couldn't afford a new computer when I was done.

But, knowing that there was the occasional move to unix being Skunkworked at Apple, I nosed around, next thing, I was using an early OS X.

Prior to all that, I put Apple stuff in the videogame category, same as Windows.

But it turns out there's a lot of industry-specific stuff available for any platform.

Did you know airline employees were sticking with the iPhone because they had a special app that let them access their scheduling systems? Android didn't break thru that until Flash on 2.2 and the ability to log in as if from home.

I had no idea there was even a desktop android client x.x
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Allow me to introduce you! :) Snow_Fox, meet Android-x86 - Porting Android to x86

I do think how we spend our money says quite a lot about us.
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I don't believe that is something that can be evaluated just by a glance at the apple logo.. but, I hate to say this.. Apple users seem to fall into two categories. A. my girlfriend or B. People like yourself who have years of experience with multiple oses. There doesn't seem to be a lot of middle ground.
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You're probably right. There's a reason it's not a big seller.


I disagree though.

I think a lot of people poorly pick their cars but, then again, we don't exactly live in a world where people research what they need to know.. they justify in their head their purchase then buy it, environment, necessity, cost, and quality be damned, people want what they want to hell with logic.
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Actually, you just agreed with me. ;)

And even if that's how some people end up with Android, fine by me, we know their chances of a rip-off are greatly reduced. :)
 
Yup, all you can do is walk away.. All of those apple lovers have had too many sips of the apple koolaid, and there is no changing that.
Scott
 
Ferrari353 said:
Okay so my friend is being a ****** and being his Apple fanboy self saying that his Iphone 4 is so much better than any other phone out there (including mine) and anything I try to tell him that makes my phone better, he just says that anything I can do, he can do on his jailbroken iPhone. What can I say to him to make him shut up?
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"How about I treat you to a steak from the money I saved buying my phone over yours seeing as they both do the same thing." Just a thought.
 
Bob Maxey said:
Wouldn't we argue endlessly as to why perfect is not good enough and why the hell the vendor has not upgraded it to perfect enough 2.056 SP4 RC11? (insert Smiley)

Bob
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Peferct:
having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be
(from Oxford English Dictionary)
so no, we couldn't, because it would be perfect
 
if someone made the perfect phone.. that would be my last phone.. and everyone's last phone. therefore manufactures will be done.
 
Inspire 4G: 4.3" Super LCD >>>> Iphone 4: 3.5" screen

Inspire 4g: 8MP Camera >>>> Iphone 4: 5MP Camera

As said, people go with what they are comfortable with. I rather not be like everybody else with the iphone and made my first Android phone this amazing Inspire!
 
Widgets? Hardware control with a push of one button? Yes i know boss mods for iphone but still not a one button push.... At least the last time i jb'd my phone. Not HAVING to jailbrake to get it to do what i wannt it to?

IPhone and iOS are great if you want a canned look and feel... even a jail borken phone will only chance certain things. People that cant admit there are pros and cons to everything arent being fair to themselfs....
 
Having used both, and being a long time Apple laptop user, I can relate (and agree) with all prior posts in this thread regarding Apple fanboys.

Frankly I rarely admit to using their products, just because I don't want to be associated with those lemmings.

I NEVER Bash any product as I'm one who embraces new technologies and works with all platforms. Yet that said I do have my preferences.

When it comes to the mobile space, Android is my OS of choice by a wide margin. Now on my 8th Android phone I'm having more fun than ever. So much so, it's replaced my landline well over a year ago.

We have a lot to look toward to as the platform matures and Google identifies the best way to accomplish their goals.

To the question about what to say to a single narrow minded iPhone user? As little as possible. You might as well be talking to the wall.

Cheers :)
 
I've owned Iphones winmo phones, and now an android phone. The Inspire 4g I currently have blows all of the previous phones outta the water. That being said, If Apple and Jobs had not developed the Iphone, there would have been no real reason for the serious competitions between Phone developers and OS types. Just my opinion though.
Scott
 
poriggity said:
I've owned Iphones winmo phones, and now an android phone. The Inspire 4g I currently have blows all of the previous phones outta the water. That being said, If Apple and Jobs had not developed the Iphone, there would have been no real reason for the serious competitions between Phone developers and OS types. Just my opinion though.
Scott
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good point, same with tablets as well I think
 
this is how wars (and some 80's post apocalyptic techno punk B-movies) start, har!
never seen the reason nor benefit for such fierce and sometimes violent tribalism. i mean, its as ridiculous as "belt-wearers vs. suspender wearers".
why can't we all just get along? wers the looooove?
 
youdoofus said:
SP does rule, and Canada is waaaay alright by me!! just think of all the bands that came outta that artic tundra!! LoL but along with that statement, I must also say that theres bad that comes along with any amount of good, i.e. to get good bands, we hafta deal with alanis morrisette lmao!!!
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I liked Alanis... especially her I hate Joey from "Full House" album.
 
HunterWasser said:
this is how wars (and some 80's post apocalyptic techno punk B-movies) start, har!
never seen the reason nor benefit for such fierce and sometimes violent tribalism. i mean, its as ridiculous as "belt-wearers vs. suspender wearers".
why can't we all just get along? wers the looooove?
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it's not the 60's mate. This is merely reasoned discoussion
 
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