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What the heck is the deal with iphone users Vs Android users
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mrqs
Android Expert
since you want to deal with real facts - the majority of smartphones owners don't have iphones
no manufacturer nor os have over 50% of the market, but symbian is the most widely used smartphone os atm, as has been for a long time. android will likely catch up quickly... wouldn't be so sure about ios
I'm not sure that's true anymore..
Android is the most used smartphone OS in the US. One single Android phone is the best selling smartphone in Japan. I don't know if Symbian has the highest market share globally anymore.
Snow_Fox
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I would take a cowon (ANDROID OR NOT) any day over ipod touch.
Cowon has better sound quality and has been recognized by audiophiles for quite some time.
Also, I personally dislike when people who are major apple fans get called "tech savvy".
Not trying to be a mean or any sort of blatant fanboy.
But, apples SELLING POINT, SELF ADMITTED SELLING POINT,
is that it is easy to use, meaning you don't have to be tech savvy to use it.
Apple tries to appeal to "everyman" who has a big enough wallet to afford it.
EVEN ANDROID is taking cues from apple with this.
The difference between apple and android is android started off appealing to geeks.
Do some tech savvy people use apple products? absolutely, not debating that.
However, what I am arguing is that apple doesn't really care about the tech savvy crowd and being honest, the tech savvy crowd has no reason to care for apple. Not any more or less than windows phone 7 or android.
As a tech savvy person, I hate when apple gets tauted as a nerd thing. Apple isn't for nerds, it never has been. Some nerds like it yes. but, its not a nerds product.
Mac OS X is a platform of choice for advanced developers.
It is native BSD unix, can run a full Gnome desktop on demand, can compile anything from the GNU/Linux world and run it on a single desktop with X, Mac and Windows windows open at all the same time. And that doesn't even could sandboxing multiple Linux distros using VMWare.
For cross-platform development - the pinnacle of nerd work - nothing beats it.
Many nerds like it a lot.
But - it's targeted at the easy-to-use crowd.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
I use OS X because I've been doing this too many years to not know that all of the present operating systems suck and suck hard. At least with OS X, I'm not tied to one thing, and can spread the suckage around.
Just like with a phone where you pick your carrier first - on an OS, pick your app or app area first, then the OS you get is the OS you get.
To say that Mac products don't appeal to geeks is to have never lived in Silicon Valley.
$1K is peanuts compared to the legal costs
That's the selling point I give them, plus the fact they can now get access to support from MS (Since, MS would give them a VLA), and it usually seals the deal for me lolwut?
It's not BSD. It's BSD based, but BSD packages won't install OOB on Mac OS X.
And you can't just OOB cross compile Linux source on Mac OS X. If so, the project porting Ubuntu's repos wouldn't be such a big deal.
lolwut?
Most I know do not. Most I know prefer Linux first, Windows a close second (Only due to the enterprise needs that Windows fulfills).
Unless, they are graphic's nerds, or audio mixing composition nerds. They, of course have no platform to match OS X.
This is true.
Since you used OS X for many years, I'm surprised you make such ludicrous statements as "Anything from the Linux world can be compiled on Mac OS X"... It's just not true.
I compile source and I'm not above modding things to work for me.
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I apologize for the gross generalization. The Linux kernel and many apps can be compiled with the right tools and configuration under OS X.
Otherwise - I did note that I sandboxed Linux distros under VMWare (with could=misssspelling of count in that post).
I stopped carrying an OpenBSD and a Windows laptop overseas in favor of a single OS X laptop. My back is much happier.
Original OS X was a combination of OpenBSD, FreeBSD and NetBSD with a Mach kernel - then some Aqua eye candy slathered on top.
Whole lot of BSD in Darwin.
I was pre-beta for OS X, I've used Linux longer than OS X, and BSD longer than that.
If I overgeneralized something, I apologize.
As for your lolwut on your mileage varying for advanced developers liking OS X or its power in cross-platform development - you just need to get out more.
I stopped contributing to Linux when the kernel discussions became nothing more than a religious flame fest - that was probably a decade ago, and I don't think I've talked to Linus in some 12 years or better now and even then, it wasn't a lot.
Believe what you will, but my point stands - all operating systems suck, it only varies by degree, so choose your app or app interests, then choose your OS.
I choose Android because for my desires, it's better.
youdoofus
Android Expert
SP does rule, and Canada is waaaay alright by me!! just think of all the bands that came outta that artic tundra!! LoL but along with that statement, I must also say that theres bad that comes along with any amount of good, i.e. to get good bands, we hafta deal with alanis morrisette lmao!!!
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
I'll take Alanis Dion and Celine Morraset over this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPau5QYtYs
But dont you dare say nothin about Geddy
Bob
Snow_Fox
Android Expert
I am not going to disagree that cross-platform development is something which is a beautiful thing but, I am failing to see how it differentiates itself from the GNU/Linux world so much that it can warrant charging in some cases double what the hardware is actually worth.
I am also (and if I am mistaken, correct me please!) failing to see much real separation between it and linux in general. If I am not mistaken you yourself once said "you fail to see why anyone is loves linux would hate mac, if you remove the apple tweaks, its at heart just another linux distro" now please, and I apologize for not getting it exactly correct so if I left anything out, or changed the meaning drastically let me know.
However, where I am going with that is what is the real advantage over any other linux/unix/however we are labeling this assortment of os's.
While I have never lived in silicon valley however, I can honestly agree. No os is perfect.
I love toying around in ubuntu.. until I have trouble getting a driver working for my cheapo usb wifi adapter.
Windows 7 is great but, I would never get to use it if I didn't have it for free through the school, its too expensive.
Using my girlfriends mac, I fail to see what makes it any better or even that much different than my old laptop running ubuntu.
I know one guy who did buy a mac so he could develop for whatever environment he wants, I respect and understand that decision even if I have trouble grasping the real differences between say ubuntu and osx. Guaranteed compatibility is pretty nice.
However, on the flip side, when we cut to the meat of the subject, I have heard that reason for buying a mac twice.
Once from my friend and once from you.
However, when I compare what I actually get, to the actual cost of the mac machine, I cringe. Pretty badly at that.
I don't exactly see a bunch of people making a lot of valid arguments for "tech savvy" mac users.
I will gladly admit there are mac users with more knowledge of mac, programming, and probably other area's (including windows) than I can comprehend. People who have probably forgotten more than I'll know.
However, Even as someone with a major interest in programming, linux/unix/non windows OS's, the only real case in which I could see myself ever owning an apple computer is maybe a laptop, something that is small, portable, and incredibly flexible. In that case, I could see myself using my desktop for the majority of my work, and having a very portable, laptop capable of programming anything.
However, by that point, I would already have a career in programming, and be able to spend money on that type of purchase.
And after seeing my girlfriends macbook... I am really sketchy on the quality of all macs.. plus the limited hard drive space seems like a royal PITA...
*EDIT*
And for whatever it is worth, believe it or not I really do try to not be bias towards any particular os or manufacturer. My statements about tech savvy vs non tech savvy were also a bit geared towards apple products in general as opposed to mac computers specifically.
Hell maybe one day I'll own a mac laptop. It isn't out of the realm of possibility and would be a great "work" computer being small light, running any os ect ect even if I had to pay for it. However, as far as desktops go.. I could never in my dreams justify a mac desktop. Part of it is my penchant for gaming, the other part is I love playing with hardware, overclocking, and being able to upgrade.
As for the price of Apple hardware - that debate will never die. I don't buy cheap hardware for my Linux servers - the one across the room in my den is a pricey HP business workstation. People pick what they pick and the price is just the price.
I'm sitting next to an 11 year old Mac and everything on it still just works - I can't complain. Just like my 10 year old OpenBSD/HP firewall. Didn't save a buck on either - but haven't had to replace either in that time for the jobs they do.
Neither will I argue that they're the best value - but they can be. When I can carry one laptop instead of two or three - I'm ahead of the money game.
Also - here's an interesting anecdote - ok, maybe interesting. I had an earlier MacBook Pro running Windows XP under Parallels (a VMWare alternative) controlling fast-as-possible instrumentation over a USB/GPIB adapter. (For demo purposes - real installations use a dedicated WinPC controller.) One of my partners plugged in his new Lenovo laptop (and I think those are pretty good) - **identical specs** to my Mac - and his ran those real-time processes 8% slower.
There - we matched price stories and where did that lead? In my opinion, not really anywhere - the price is just the price and every side has _srsly important_ anecdotes about performance and specs.
(And just to be clear - some Mac hardware is a flaming ripoff, some is a great value - if and only if it fits your use case.)
Once upon a time, I hoped the Linux desktop would work for everyone - I have no love of Apple or Microsoft in their tyranny.
However - both are effective at walling things off so that the common consumer is better served choosing one or the other because most people learn by sharing peer experiences.
It still takes a little more effort and knowledge to operate Linux - not much, but it can make the difference. Not in theory - but in practice - because of the lack most people have with sharing peer experience.
For people that want simple, just works, Macs are cheap at twice the price. For people whose industry-specific software requires Windows, PCs are cheap at twice the price.
But for those that want to just plug in the biggest-selling PMP (iPod) or run the MS suite - Linux doesn't cut it.
Like it or not, for the longest time, OS X became the most-used desktop *nix in the world.
Now - it might be Android.
I couldn't be more pleased. I'm even liking the dream and idea of one day having all-Android PCs in my house - because for home use, I like the idea of computers as appliances.
Last week my daughter bought a Verizon iP4 for $170+contract. She wanted to hold out for the ThunderBolt but balked at the price. For her - she has a phone with email, web and most importantly - Skype - so she's a 100% happy camper. She manages a genetics QA lab, so she's no stranger to tech or computers.
Her husband - the poster fan for the iPod Touch - is upset she got yesterday's tech in a phone and didn't go Android. So long as she doesn't get dropped calls (hasn't happened yet, thank goodness) peace may yet happen in my family.
It takes all kinds to make up the world. I'd rather there were several perfect operating systems rather than several imperfect ones, but I'd still support them all, because there's a bigger principle at stake for me personally:
The world would be a boring place if we all thought the same way and we as a society are losing our ability to actually rise up and know that it's ok to agree to disagree.
People see me with a Mac laptop and usually pass judgment on me - either for being an Apple loser or for being Apple-cool.
But I think I am a human being, not defined by my possessions and certainly not defined by which corporation got my dough.
(And could I accomplish nearly all of this with a Linux or Win laptop or PC and VMWare and skip the Mac part? Yes. So why do I carry what I carry? Because basically _anyone_ can come up and ask me if I can run something or read something or help with something and without asking their OS, I can say yes. And that ability to connect with people is more important to me than the price or anything else I might be wrong about.)
Finally - tip of the topper to you for being young and choosing Linux rather than pirating what you can't afford with Windows. When you're older, you'll have more disposable income, you'll see the price is just the price and when you look back, you'll find a lot of thing you believed were price-safe - weren't as much as they seemed at the time.
Computers and personal electronics are like cars. They're a sunk cost no matter what you choose, a purchase and not an investment. A car is really only faster than walking. Think about that and draw your own analogies.
Anyway - those are my opinions. I've been wrong before and could be wrong here.
I'm sitting next to an 11 year old Mac and everything on it still just works - I can't complain. Just like my 10 year old OpenBSD/HP firewall. Didn't save a buck on either - but haven't had to replace either in that time for the jobs they do.
Neither will I argue that they're the best value - but they can be. When I can carry one laptop instead of two or three - I'm ahead of the money game.
Also - here's an interesting anecdote - ok, maybe interesting. I had an earlier MacBook Pro running Windows XP under Parallels (a VMWare alternative) controlling fast-as-possible instrumentation over a USB/GPIB adapter. (For demo purposes - real installations use a dedicated WinPC controller.) One of my partners plugged in his new Lenovo laptop (and I think those are pretty good) - **identical specs** to my Mac - and his ran those real-time processes 8% slower.
There - we matched price stories and where did that lead? In my opinion, not really anywhere - the price is just the price and every side has _srsly important_ anecdotes about performance and specs.
(And just to be clear - some Mac hardware is a flaming ripoff, some is a great value - if and only if it fits your use case.)
Once upon a time, I hoped the Linux desktop would work for everyone - I have no love of Apple or Microsoft in their tyranny.
However - both are effective at walling things off so that the common consumer is better served choosing one or the other because most people learn by sharing peer experiences.
It still takes a little more effort and knowledge to operate Linux - not much, but it can make the difference. Not in theory - but in practice - because of the lack most people have with sharing peer experience.
For people that want simple, just works, Macs are cheap at twice the price. For people whose industry-specific software requires Windows, PCs are cheap at twice the price.
But for those that want to just plug in the biggest-selling PMP (iPod) or run the MS suite - Linux doesn't cut it.
Like it or not, for the longest time, OS X became the most-used desktop *nix in the world.
Now - it might be Android.
I couldn't be more pleased. I'm even liking the dream and idea of one day having all-Android PCs in my house - because for home use, I like the idea of computers as appliances.
Last week my daughter bought a Verizon iP4 for $170+contract. She wanted to hold out for the ThunderBolt but balked at the price. For her - she has a phone with email, web and most importantly - Skype - so she's a 100% happy camper. She manages a genetics QA lab, so she's no stranger to tech or computers.
Her husband - the poster fan for the iPod Touch - is upset she got yesterday's tech in a phone and didn't go Android. So long as she doesn't get dropped calls (hasn't happened yet, thank goodness) peace may yet happen in my family.
It takes all kinds to make up the world. I'd rather there were several perfect operating systems rather than several imperfect ones, but I'd still support them all, because there's a bigger principle at stake for me personally:
The world would be a boring place if we all thought the same way and we as a society are losing our ability to actually rise up and know that it's ok to agree to disagree.
People see me with a Mac laptop and usually pass judgment on me - either for being an Apple loser or for being Apple-cool.
But I think I am a human being, not defined by my possessions and certainly not defined by which corporation got my dough.
(And could I accomplish nearly all of this with a Linux or Win laptop or PC and VMWare and skip the Mac part? Yes. So why do I carry what I carry? Because basically _anyone_ can come up and ask me if I can run something or read something or help with something and without asking their OS, I can say yes. And that ability to connect with people is more important to me than the price or anything else I might be wrong about.)
Finally - tip of the topper to you for being young and choosing Linux rather than pirating what you can't afford with Windows. When you're older, you'll have more disposable income, you'll see the price is just the price and when you look back, you'll find a lot of thing you believed were price-safe - weren't as much as they seemed at the time.
Computers and personal electronics are like cars. They're a sunk cost no matter what you choose, a purchase and not an investment. A car is really only faster than walking. Think about that and draw your own analogies.
Anyway - those are my opinions. I've been wrong before and could be wrong here.
mkioshi
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Ya know, I'm a Mac user. Have been for 11 years, when nobody here (in Brazil) even knew what a Mac was, I got one of those tupperware iMacs and it served me well for 7 years until I got my current Mac Mini.
And even I get some heat sometimes. I did a test drive on Windows 7 for 1 month and I really liked it. I liked it also because since it's not as dependent on RAM memory as an UNIX-based system like Mac OS X, it actually ran much faster on my Mac (limited to 2Gb of RAM, Core Duo, not Core 2 Duo, I'm sure OS X would run as fast as W7 if I were able to put like 4 GBs of RAM).
I posted about it on facebook and my friends who are all 'enchanted' by Apple nowadays flamed me because 'Microsoft is EEEBIL'. The only one who answered that MS did a really good job with W7 was a guy who uses Macs since 1995 or something like that. Apple has this 'seducing' power some brands like McDonalds and Coke have. For example, I like Motorola and a lot of people do, but everyone I know who likes Moto is more than willing to admit its shortcomings. Go criticize Apple for anything, it's like you're offending their mothers.
Now, I love my Mac, I love my iPod Nano, I love my Milestone 2 (especially since I NEVER connected a cable to it, I bought AirSync for Doubletwist so I could sync my music and videos via WiFi), and I love the fact that I can just download an app from the market on any browser and not be bothered with USB and running iTunes.
OTOH, I spent a full weekend (I was sick so it was cool actually) to make my phone the way I wanted it to look, I have 3 keyboards installed not counting Swype (one of them I installed because I write in English as much as in Portuguese so I needed a keyboard who suggested me English words for example).
Leaving the idiotic Apple fanatism aside, I advise my friends that 'if you're the kind of guy who after installing something on your computer you go to the configuration pane instead of just using it, get an Android' - 'if you're the kind of guy who can't bother messing with configs, get an iPhone'.
I am the 'config' guy. I love customizing my phone, trying new launchers, new browsers, etc, even new keyboards. I messes with the iPhone a lot before deciding to buy my Milestone2 (another deciding factor was the physical keyboard, but I'm loving Swype).
But, c'mon, you post something like 'wth? The new 13 inch macbook pro has a 320gb HD and an intel HD GPU, same thing you find on a USD 500 netbook' (netbooks cost around 500 here and the cheapest 13-inch macbook costs over 2k - of you wanna check go to Bem-vindo
And even I get some heat sometimes. I did a test drive on Windows 7 for 1 month and I really liked it. I liked it also because since it's not as dependent on RAM memory as an UNIX-based system like Mac OS X, it actually ran much faster on my Mac (limited to 2Gb of RAM, Core Duo, not Core 2 Duo, I'm sure OS X would run as fast as W7 if I were able to put like 4 GBs of RAM).
I posted about it on facebook and my friends who are all 'enchanted' by Apple nowadays flamed me because 'Microsoft is EEEBIL'. The only one who answered that MS did a really good job with W7 was a guy who uses Macs since 1995 or something like that. Apple has this 'seducing' power some brands like McDonalds and Coke have. For example, I like Motorola and a lot of people do, but everyone I know who likes Moto is more than willing to admit its shortcomings. Go criticize Apple for anything, it's like you're offending their mothers.
Now, I love my Mac, I love my iPod Nano, I love my Milestone 2 (especially since I NEVER connected a cable to it, I bought AirSync for Doubletwist so I could sync my music and videos via WiFi), and I love the fact that I can just download an app from the market on any browser and not be bothered with USB and running iTunes.
OTOH, I spent a full weekend (I was sick so it was cool actually) to make my phone the way I wanted it to look, I have 3 keyboards installed not counting Swype (one of them I installed because I write in English as much as in Portuguese so I needed a keyboard who suggested me English words for example).
Leaving the idiotic Apple fanatism aside, I advise my friends that 'if you're the kind of guy who after installing something on your computer you go to the configuration pane instead of just using it, get an Android' - 'if you're the kind of guy who can't bother messing with configs, get an iPhone'.
I am the 'config' guy. I love customizing my phone, trying new launchers, new browsers, etc, even new keyboards. I messes with the iPhone a lot before deciding to buy my Milestone2 (another deciding factor was the physical keyboard, but I'm loving Swype).
But, c'mon, you post something like 'wth? The new 13 inch macbook pro has a 320gb HD and an intel HD GPU, same thing you find on a USD 500 netbook' (netbooks cost around 500 here and the cheapest 13-inch macbook costs over 2k - of you wanna check go to Bem-vindo
Ferrari353
Well-Known Member
Okay so my friend is being a ****** and being his Apple fanboy self saying that his Iphone 4 is so much better than any other phone out there (including mine) and anything I try to tell him that makes my phone better, he just says that anything I can do, he can do on his jailbroken iPhone. What can I say to him to make him shut up?
blazeplacid
Well-Known Member
I don't even bother with people like that.
ardchoille
Android Expert
The most respectful thing you can do is to tell him that everyone should use the platform that suits them best, and leave it at that. All platforms have their pros and cons and there is not a single platform that will be perfect for everyone. You can't please all of the people all of the time.
Outlaw71
Android Expert
bigtoysrock
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REALLY!? Id smack him! LOL I would ask him if he can change his text tones? Ha can he run 4G! LMAO! Yes I know we don't have it yet either. One HUGE thing that my android can do and my wife and room mates ios can't do is stream wirelessly to my ps3, my music, pictures and movies.
What are you using to do this? I tried Twonky, but it was really laggy.
bigbadwulff
Android Expert
ive never seen this used but if it has been, excuse me. I'm not an i-phone basher nor lover but when I thought of this I thought it was funny.
i-fauxn. i-fauxners
i-fauxn. i-fauxners
ElasticNinja
Android Expert
way to hate on the iPhone users with the hidden Fox news reference 
wraithevolution
Well-Known Member
People like them amuse me, they're right all the way. What I do is agree with everything they say, no matter what it is. Whatever they say, I repeat enthusiastically and add "absolutely" or "definately" to the end. After a while, they tend to figure out that you're f'ing with them and give it up. And after that, I still won't tell them anything about my phone, just agree that their's is far superior. The only thing they can comprehend is when they look it up for themselves. Stealing their thunder is the only way to get through to them. 
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