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LG G3 Pre-release/Rumor/Speculation Thread

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Jeyd02 said:
Rush... You still don't know for certain how the gpu will be compromised.
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Hence my questions in relation to testing ;) Still it would appear inarguable that a great 1080p display would be better overall for performance and battery life.


One more thing: I expect the battery life threads for this device to be EPIC :)

Purely subjective, but treated and presumed as objective- comic gold!
 
rushmore said:
Hence my questions in relation to testing ;) Still it would appear inarguable that a great 1080p display would be better overall for performance and battery life.
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Gotta luv the specs arms race. :p
Starting to tire of it a bit myself,cool to keep up with,but,feeling less compelled to keep trading in perfectly good phones for ones that are,at most,marginally better.
May even pare back down to one device when this one becomes available.

Besides,smartwatches are all the rage now,got another bandwagon to jump on.......... :D

Good point you made earlier regarding web browsing taking a hit on the G3 vs G2,as the G2 was running 4.2.2 @ the time the original battery test was taken.
 
KOLIO said:
Gotta luv the specs arms race. :p
Starting to tire of it a bit myself,cool to keep up with,but,feeling less compelled to keep trading in perfectly good phones for ones that are,at most,marginally better.
May even pare back down to one device when this one becomes available.

Besides,smartwatches are all the rage now,got another bandwagon to jump on.......... :D

Good point you made earlier regarding web browsing taking a hit on the G3 vs G2,as the G2 was running 4.2.2 @ the time the original battery test was taken.
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Here is the thing... I believe to make a comparison between 2 competitors, in this case with browsing and at least make it into an even field, it'll require the following (and why);

1. The competitors needs to be either in a same carrier with either lte or 3g turned on. G2 having lte and lg g3 also having lte in the same location so they could receive the same amount of reception. Because as you may well know. If you have bad reception the battery will go berserk pushing and constantly looking for more towers. But Okay, this is only if they tried to compare with lte or 3g.

2. If not, then they should turn on airplane mode so that all the celular components won't hinder the battery performance of any phones(assuming they did that) . That being said, they have to compare on the same browser app with the same steps taken and brightness .

3. We all know one my be running some services but that is inevitable, the playing level field will not always going to be even. But also something they need to be either in their first charging cycle or in the same.

4. Idk, reserved?
 
Only a few benchmark sources so far, but a margin of well over two hours less battery life with web tests over the G3. Bigger higher res display comes at a price- depending on how you use the device and THAT is why the battery life threads will be EPIC and likely trump many comedies on TV.

The new device pixie dust will likely be very high with the G3.
 
rushmore said:
Only a few benchmark sources so far, but a margin of well over two hours less battery life with web tests over the G3. Bigger higher res display comes at a price- depending on how you use the device and THAT is why the battery life threads will be EPIC and likely trump many comedies on TV.

The new device pixie dust will likely be very high with the G3.
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If let's say HTC or Samsung comes up with a almost similar phone and some battery package, I think it'll be really interesting to see the comparison between them and to see how LG G3 performs against others QHD display.
 
Jeyd02 said:
Then, that means rom branding like paranoid android, pac man, baked are based out of aokp or Aosp which was originally based from cm with was originally based of vanilla android rom?

Edit; I just noticed you suggested me to ask them. Okay sorry. Then what questions you'll like to be asked?
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No. You're doing fine. You are exactly right. Since android is all open source everyone shares everything and puts their item little twist to it. The big developers, like paranoid and cyanogen generally create new modifications to vanilla and the smaller one use those miss and tweak them to their liking. Big developers are writing for a very large group of phones while smaller ones are generally writing just fur their own phone.

There is an unforseen rule that if you use another developer's mod you have to credit them. Otherwise, you're stealing the credit for their creative process.
 
Steven58 said:
No. You're doing fine. You are exactly right. Since android is all open source everyone shares everything and puts their item little twist to it. The big developers, like paranoid and cyanogen generally create new modifications to vanilla and the smaller one use those miss and tweak them to their liking. Big developers are writing for a very large group of phones while smaller ones are generally writing just fur their own phone.

There is an unforseen rule that if you use another developer's mod you have to credit them. Otherwise, you're stealing the credit for their creative process.
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Well if you go by that logic, this happens literally with any "New" innovative hits. Specially *cough * apple *cough* as well as other oems, artist, inventors, etc.

I guess we are indeed expert to modify and vision great ideas from others initial idea but we are incompetent to come up with our very own idea. I guess we always will need "that" reference. Being imagery, dream like or anything. But even so, I think even those elements comes imprinted from recollections of others ideas.

It makes you think... How much we need each other.
 
Ummm... from the Words Mean Things Department -

AOSP - Android Open Source Project: the Android free and open source code repository. Used by OEMs and anyone else who has the skills to take the code as a starting point and build a version of the Android operating system. Once upon a time, synonymous with the code a Nexus ran. This will always be vanilla Android.

In recent years, I have come across exactly one rom for a non-Nexus that was truly an AOSP rom.

CM - CyanogenMod: Once upon a time took the AOSP code base and built a popular vanilla Android targeted for popular phones. At the time, the OEM's versions had more features than the limited processors and ram could deal with well. Seeing CM running on those models began the meme that all OEMs run bloat and vanilla Android is the magical cure. Since then has become its own code base with its own repositories. Like OEMs, CM rendezvous with AOSP at major releases and updates their code base. Is still called an AOSP rom when it's more accurate to call it an AOSP-type rom, when classifying roms as either AOSP or OEM. Has become available as an OEM supplied experience and is a more featured code base than AOSP. The meme will never die that CM is AOSP. It's an AOSP descendant.

Many roms begin with the CM source codebase and add to it as the dev sees fit. Those are called AOSP roms but they're really CM descendants.

AOKP - Android Open Kang Project: Open source allows copying freely so long as some important copyright niceties are respected. (Copyrights are real, not an unseen rule.) To kang is to steal rather than take freely with niceties. In other words, claim something as your own. A favorite dream among flashaholics is to get a feature from rom A, get another from rom B, etc etc etc until the mysteriously perfect rom appears. It's not rare. In fact, all roms, whether OEM, CM or whatever have quite a bit of that thinking in them. The AOKP is a cut at comedy at that. And has sometimes had a team or two commit actual kanging. AOKP is a CM descendant.

As you cross hardware brands and generations, you'll see the same rom names but they're not made by the same person or team, they simply started with the named codebase and paid attention to the copyright niceties.

Otherwise, it's as Steven said, you're choosing among features, just like you would choose between Sense and TouchWiz, except, you get to choose without changing hardware.

Going with a non-OEM type rom often means sacrificing hardware features that the others cannot support.

Many devs hate that and rather than try for an AOSP or CM descendant, will take the OEM rom and customize that. Those can be very effective.

Finally, there's the Omni Project - omni - the one new codebase that starts it all over and creates a new codebase without all of the Frankenstein stitching showing.

And to wrap up, don't forget Xposed - a root framework made to work with most any rooted device. Take that, find Xposed modules for your device with the mods you want and customize your own rom as you go, no dev skills required.
 
Jeyd02 said:
Well if you go by that logic, this happens literally with any "New" innovative hits. Specially *cough * apple *cough* as well as other oems, artist, inventors, etc.
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To rid yourself completely of the meme popular since before we were born that there are no true innovations, just refinements and shared ideas, read Ancient Engineers by L. Sprague DeCamp, you can probably still get it on Amazon.

Cell phones capable of transoceanic communication using geosynchronous relay satellites did not become a foregone conclusion in retrospect once the wheel was invented and fire was mastered.

Neither were the wheel and fire copied and improved until we got here.

The meme is spectacularly silly but a great comfort to thieves and others incapable of creative thinking.

It's also a key part of the Chinese culture. Put billions of family members together speaking roughly the same language into a poor and crowded situation and see how many new ideas you get.

That's why many Chinese can't see kanging as a problem. Family shares. All the words have been said in all the combinations, so how can anything be yours alone?

And yet some of our most mind-blowing inventions have come from the Chinese. DeCamp's book explains clearly how that can be as well.
 
EarlyMon said:
To rid yourself completely of the meme popular since before we were born that there are no true innovations, just refinements and shared ideas, read Ancient Engineers by L. Sprague DeCamp, you can probably still get it on Amazon.

Cell phones capable of transoceanic communication using geosynchronous relay satellites did not become a foregone conclusion in retrospect once the wheel was invented and fire was mastered.

Neither were the wheel and fire copied and improved until we got here.

The meme is spectacularly silly but a great comfort to thieves and others incapable of creative thinking.

It's also a key part of the Chinese culture. Put billions of family members together speaking roughly the same language into a poor and crowded situation and see how many new ideas you get.

That's why many Chinese can't see kanging as a problem. Family shares. All the words have been said in all the combinations, so how can anything be yours alone?

And yet some of our most mind-blowing inventions have come from the Chinese. DeCamp's book explains clearly how that can be as well.
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My point exactly.
 
Jeyd02 said:
Here is the thing... I believe to make a comparison between 2 competitors, in this case with browsing and at least make it into an even field, it'll require the following (and why);

1. The competitors needs to be either in a same carrier with either lte or 3g turned on. G2 having lte and lg g3 also having lte in the same location so they could receive the same amount of reception. Because as you may well know. If you have bad reception the battery will go berserk pushing and constantly looking for more towers. But Okay, this is only if they tried to compare with lte or 3g.

2. If not, then they should turn on airplane mode so that all the celular components won't hinder the battery performance of any phones(assuming they did that) . That being said, they have to compare on the same browser app with the same steps taken and brightness .

3. We all know one my be running some services but that is inevitable, the playing level field will not always going to be even. But also something they need to be either in their first charging cycle or in the same.

4. Idk, reserved?
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Browsing with airplane mode and wifi on - you need two of each device and you need to see if two identical models browsing the same sites at the same time actually get serviced the same by the router.

And what happens to response time when you cut back to one device?

What are the correct web sites to browse? What strategy will be used to ensure that you're browsing and not accessing cache?

Will the results simply map forward once the cellular network is turned on?

Assuming the opposite - all devices under test are getting an excellent cell signal - isn't that an important battery test case?

Done correctly, testing is a separate discipline and it's not easy.
 
EarlyMon said:
Browsing with airplane mode and wifi on - you need two of each device and you need to see if two identical models browsing the same sites at the same time actually get serviced the same by the router.

And what happens to response time when you cut back to one device?

What are the correct web sites to browse? What strategy will be used to ensure that you're browsing and not accessing cache?

Will the results simply map forward once the cellular network is turned on?

Assuming the opposite - all devices under test are getting an excellent cell signal - isn't that an important battery test case?

Done correctly, testing is a separate discipline and it's not easy.
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With that said,all Sunday's from here on out should be declared Battery Life Discussion-Free days,w/all offending posts on the subject re-directed here:

iSource Forums

;)
 
Still wild that there has been no info yet beyond Tmo. If Tmo & Sprint Merge and they call themselves Spank, I would be tempted to bail from VZW ;)

I am looking forward to the battery life threads, but could go 180 on that if the level of well intended comparisons and misinformation is rampant. Again, the NDPD (New Device Pixie Dust) will likely be strong with this one and that will obliterate any chance of objectivity.

My prediction beyond the usual lack of equitable comparatives of signal strength, usage intervals, relative brightness, volume, apps being used, background tasks, app notifications, battery condition, what radios are on, web sites, video, etc:

There is not a chance in heck anything can be deduced other than the display will use more battery and you can only compare your own use with your own devices.
 
rushmore said:
Still wild that there has been no info yet beyond Tmo. If Tmo & Sprint Merge and they call themselves Spank, I would be tempted to bail from VZW ;)

I am looking forward to the battery life threads, but could go 180 on that if the level of well intended comparisons and misinformation is rampant. Again, the NDPD (New Device Pixie Dust) will likely be strong with this one and that will obliterate any chance of objectivity.

My prediction beyond the usual lack of equitable comparatives of signal strength, usage intervals, relative brightness, volume, apps being used, background tasks, app notifications, battery condition, what radios are on, web sites, video, etc:

There is not a chance in heck anything can be deduced other than the display will use more battery and you can only compare your own use with your own devices.
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I don't understand the complaint.

People often want to know what battery performance others are getting.

It's often the only way to discover if your unit is odd and needs some settings change, or how to find out if towers in your area are hosed, or if you need to see if you have a defective unit - or if your new model wasn't as good a choice as your old one it replaced.

The only way that that works is for people to socialize what they know, and yes, that's all subjective data. It's also an effective path to solution for a lot of people.

If you don't like battery threads, don't frequent them.

But battery chatter in a prerelease thread?

How not? It's slightly important. :D
 
KOLIO said:
The powers that be may nix this merger just on the name alone....... :p

Still a long way to go,that is,if it even pans out.
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Better in theory to have three same level competitors than two or one. It was trending towards one. This has a much better chance of passing than the ATT one. I gave the ATT a 10% chance and give this one a 60% chance.
 
EarlyMon said:
I don't understand the complaint.

People often want to know what battery performance others are getting.

It's often the only way to discover if your unit is odd and needs some settings change, or how to find out if towers in your area are hosed, or if you need to see if you have a defective unit - or if your new model wasn't as good a choice as your old one it replaced.

The only way that that works is for people to socialize what they know, and yes, that's all subjective data. It's also an effective path to solution for a lot of people.

If you don't like battery threads, don't frequent them.

But battery chatter in a prerelease thread?

How not? It's slightly important. :D
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Not referring to pre release threads since pure speculation and inherently subjective. Referring to the "My phone gets 20 hours" and "Battery life sucks" threads. Too subjective and too much variance to derive any meaningful correlation to a person's own use.


Too many parameters with weight that can kill any correlation that would pass an R square of .5, yet alone 1 ;)

We can agree to disagree :)
 
Steven58 said:
Was gone the entire day. Am more or less back now
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How dare you to leave the thread for the entire day?:confused::D

In other news: my inew i6000 is gone, it's going to a new home. I am down to just 2 Android phones, unbelievable! :D

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from the korean guy, xda. A hundred bucks, can you believe it?

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I'm also a Korean user of G3, but wanted to share a different info about G3.
In South Korea, LG actually spread the G3 almost near $100 and 50K ppl actually bought this phone only after the launch, which was at May 28.
After that, lots of people talked about its' spec and negative stuffs.
1. QHD display.
Some people(but many) said QHD is overspec. Lg setted the sharpening too high that letters were too sharpy. But, seeing the websites in PC version was amazing. Also, people said some have 'yellowish' displays. Well, most phones were to blueish and the color temp was too high, and people are thinking that this was the normal value, but, our monitors in PCs' color temperture is the same as G3, and people are seeing the yellowish colors. However, there are people who have a more yellowish displays.
2. Battery
3K mAh battery was a big battery, however, playing a movie stimuneously, ran 8 hours of battery life. However, light users usually uses for 24 hours or more. Playing movies or games will dramatically decrease battery life. QHD display consumes lots of battery life.
3. Temperature
Few people experiences high temperature on just internet surfing.
4. Design
G3 is the best design ever and Gold is the best :)
5. Camera
DSLR uses 300 ppi to take a picture, but G3 uses 72 ppi, which compresses the pixels. Seeing in normal or zoom-out view is pretty, but you'll see compressed pixels when you zoom in.
- Overall(in my view)
Now, I want to say about what I felt about G3. The design is very pretty. The size of the phone is same as Note 2. The grap of the phone is better than Note 2. Gold is pretty, and Black is also pretty, but if you want to have some cases on your G3, white is the winner, cuz black and gold have very few options to wear some cases.
My display have no yellowish colors, no vertical lines, decent temperature, long battery life. I think I got the normal one. I am very happy to get G3 and I'm satisfied that I have no deflects on my phone as others have a lot. Happy Happy~
 
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