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Well, guys, it's been fun but I'm buggin' outta here.
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The gsmarena.com review has proven what we were fearing -- the 801 can't push QHD as well as the 800 pushed 1080P, and there are serious battery compromises. The low contrast issue is another unexpected blow. There are lots of very nice things about this phone, but I don't want it badly enough now to spend the money on it. It looks like I'll be trying out the OnePlus One when I can buy one like a dignified human being.


I am kind of there too now, but want to first test myself to validate, rather than subjective interpretation from others. What matters is my own usage behavior in my own network areas. This thread has rocked though, none the less :)

Of course, if the Big Red monster only offers a 2/16, no harm no foul ;) I do wish though the spec topping train would not be the main driver for products, if performance is dinged. Seems apparent here that performance was compromised due to the display.

Added:

Reviews have liked it overall, but what matters is your own usage behavior and environment. I also wonder if the throttling increases as ambient temperature increases, when the gpu is leveraged.

The irony seems everything else is great about the device. Especially sound quality for music fans. If only a it had a 1080p display. EMs early speculation is looking right on this one.
 
Unless they were doing a test for said specific rom/kernel, that would be of no use to anyone.

It's important to take Into account reception status. When it's bad it drains a lot of battery. So doing an airplane mode test will be more sounding to me.
 
Might be time to review what can be written to a microsd under KitKat.

It's not so much what can be written to an SD card as what apps can read and write where.

Prior to the change, you could easily move files around with a good app like EStrongs File Explorer (aka ES File Explorer).

Check out "ES File Explorer File Manager"

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.estrongs.android.pop

Android apps are controlled by their security permissions. Check out http://androidforums.com/android-ap...explained-security-tips-avoiding-malware.html

The new change introduced what you can think of as an override to one of the permissions.

Before, decent apps would make their own folders on your SD card, keeping things nice and organized.

And you could shift things as you needed, say with ES.

Or you could let apps work and store where you pointed them.

No more.

Suppose you take a picture, and the camera app writes it to the card.

Now take Snapseed (great photo editing app), edit the picture. Before, you could save it back to where the picture came from.

Not anymore - with the change, you can only save it to the Snapseed folder.

If you're what my friend Medion (who taught me what's up) calls a power user, using multiple apps to manage your media, it's going to be a pain in the neck.

The non-rooted workaround is to set up media folders under the folder that ES owns, copy everything there using ES, and then let your media apps read from there. But read-only.

A lot of people don't use file explorers or multiple similar apps. They're probably not going to notice the change. A lot of people will notice the change and be OK with the workaround strategy to copy things to central locations by a file manager and then other apps get read-only access to that. A lot of people just use apps from Google, or pre-installed by the phone manufacturer or carrier. Those apps don't have the the new restriction, people that just use those won't notice.

The rest of us have no intention of going along with it.

You have to change one parameter if it's set and you have to be root to do it.

Check out "SDFix: KitKat Writable MicroSD"

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nextapp.sdfix

Read that app description carefully, it tells the whole story precisely.

That's one of the two apps that I said to bookmark earlier. Do it if you haven't. Because of the common words in the name it's really hard to search for.

That permission change was made for security reasons. People didn't like the idea of apps being able to get full storage access. Google responded.

This really is going to affect everyone.

The same change is coming to your internal storage. Today it's an SD card issue, tomorrow it's everything.

A lot of apps got broken when the change hit. A lot of confusion stems from that.

Big change like this, Google usually makes the changes to the developer kits first, give everyone time to adapt their code before it goes live.

This time Google pushed out the update and the developer kits changes at the same time.

And people affected got really pissed off. I don't blame them, I would have been too.
 
B&H is good, got RMA immediately despite the fact that they were closed for the Jewish holiday.

I do believe they get their stock from Sandisk, not from the chinese counterfeiters.

Yet it happens.

Anything is possible and can happen to a retailer regardless of their suppliers, that's why it's important to only buy from people you can trust.

Glad they sorted it out, I expected no less from them. :)
 
It's not so much what can be written to an SD card as what apps can read and write where.

Prior to the change, you could easily move files around with a good app like EStrongs File Explorer (aka ES File Explorer).

Check out "ES File Explorer File Manager"

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.estrongs.android.pop

Android apps are controlled by their security permissions. Check out http://androidforums.com/android-ap...explained-security-tips-avoiding-malware.html

The new change introduced what you can think of as an override to one of the permissions.

Before, decent apps would make their own folders on your SD card, keeping things nice and organized.

And you could shift things as you needed, say with ES.

Or you could let apps work and store where you pointed them.

No more.

Suppose you take a picture, and the camera app writes it to the card.

Now take Snapseed (great photo editing app), edit the picture. Before, you could save it back to where the picture came from.

Not anymore - with the change, you can only save it to the Snapseed folder.

If you're what my friend Medion (who taught me what's up) calls a power user, using multiple apps to manage your media, it's going to be a pain in the neck.

The non-rooted workaround is to set up media folders under the folder that ES owns, copy everything there using ES, and then let your media apps read from there. But read-only.

A lot of people don't use file explorers or multiple similar apps. They're probably not going to notice the change. A lot of people will notice the change and be OK with the workaround strategy to copy things to central locations by a file manager and then other apps get read-only access to that. A lot of people just use apps from Google, or pre-installed by the phone manufacturer or carrier. Those apps don't have the the new restriction, people that just use those won't notice.

The rest of us have no intention of going along with it.

You have to change one parameter if it's set and you have to be root to do it.

Check out "SDFix: KitKat Writable MicroSD"

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nextapp.sdfix

Read that app description carefully, it tells the whole story precisely.

That's one of the two apps that I said to bookmark earlier. Do it if you haven't. Because of the common words in the name it's really hard to search for.

That permission change was made for security reasons. People didn't like the idea of apps being able to get full storage access. Google responded.

This really is going to affect everyone.

The same change is coming to your internal storage. Today it's an SD card issue, tomorrow it's everything.

A lot of apps got broken when the change hit. A lot of confusion stems from that.

Big change like this, Google usually makes the changes to the developer kits first, give everyone time to adapt their code before it goes live.

This time Google pushed out the update and the developer kits changes at the same time.

And people affected got really pissed off. I don't blame them, I would have been too.

Another great post from EM. I am so glad you are here!

I use ES Explorer from the day 1 it was released, great app.

Windows phones did not have file explorers. Not sure they have one now :D
 
Ugh. Bad contrast. Not great in sunlight. Bad benchmarks. Bad battery when under display stress. This just went from 99% to 25%. Unless the optimized version is much different, the S5 Prime is still in the running.

Sobs

Honestly, apart from some games where the benchmarks actually match up to what gamers have experienced, there's nothing to pay attention to in those bookmarks.

Unless the mobile gaming experience is important to you, then by all means, watch that closely.

We knew going in that some games are going to have fewer frames per second because the GPU here wasn't intended to drive this many pixels. We didn't need benchmarks to confirm that but those are nice to have if they help. The other benchmarks are pretty meaningless.

Personally, I don't pay any attention whatsoever to benchmarks in my buying decisions, but I'm not a gamer.

The screen measures are a bit concerning but I'll want independent measurements before I believe those. I'm that way whether the results are good or bad. In the end, I really only trust what I see for myself.

As for the battery, TANSTAAFL but at least it's replaceable.

Anyway, that's just me. :o

The only thing that I really wanted to say is trust your instincts. :)
Another great post from EM. I am so glad you are here!

Thanks. :o
 
The benchmarks seen so far directionally support the concern from the get-go that anything that uses the gpu turns into a battery/performance issue. Video is not much a strain, but the browser and games appear to be an issue.

Looks like some key functions are compromised, but if you mainly listen to music, play videos and use the phone you're good ;) Just ANYTHING that involves a computational push to the display is a problem (probably everything else).

The Note 3 is a little bigger, but probably would be a better overall device- assuming one can be found not yet updated/locked down. I will go that direction if my current perspective with the G3 pans out.

Nah, I would wait first for the Note 4 and see if it can be rooted..... Maybe.
 
Try it for 2 weeks, return it, pay the $35 restocking fee and by that time, the G3 will have been announced. It will help you get it out of your system.

:rofl:

Good strategy though. :)


The red m8 is available. Hmmm.

Steven, I'm going to embed this but I don't want to hijack the thread.

I know how you don't go to youtube - make an exception.

There are two videos that you want to see comparing the SGS5 (that you've also considered) and the M8. In the first, the M8 is the clear winner. The second linked from there has the SGS5 as the clear winner. Pretty fair and kind of valuable to see the two side by side so you can decide for yourself.


And while I don't care for this presentation (honestly it looks to me more like a sales pitch than the review of the UI that it claims to be), it did show some interesting G3 information -

 
I just flashed AOKP kk for GNex. I gotta face it. I'm a hopeless crackflasher and I'd be miserable with a locked bootloader. BTW, AOKP kk is getting really good. :)
 
I just flashed AOKP kk for GNex. I gotta face it. I'm a hopeless crackflasher and I'd be miserable with a locked bootloader. BTW, AOKP kk is getting really good. :)

I always wonder... Could you really tell me in your own words what's the difference between Aosp, aokp, CM?
 
I simply want root to kill bloat and enable card writes. The thing is I feel like a storm trooper and being told, "This is not the droid you are looking for". Relative to other devices, the display appears to make too many compromises to make the display fit the gpu.

The reality though is they are shooting for differentiation with the display spec and that is what we have here. A 1080p would have been the best fit here and the offsetting LG has made to mitigate performance issues is apparent.

Presuming VZW does not go single model and only sell a 2/16 ;) , I will still test it out. My questions though are:

1. Can the dynamic display adjustment be turned off? I do not like fluctuating image quality via brightness, contrast and color changes,

2. If you turn it off, does the battery life decline significantly? Due to acceleration from 4.2 onward, even web browsing triggers the gpu to be leveraged (perhaps why the web scores for battery life are lower than the G2 and other devices).

3. Will the device throttle and cap performance and be noticeable? Some reviews and previews that game have pointed this out already.

4. If you can turn it off, does the battery life take a big hit?

5. Will ambient temperature also be more a factor due to the compromises made to mitigate the impact of the Qhd display?

I find the even larger display on the Note 3 to look fantastic, so a smaller display with 1080p is a no brainer for me considering performance and battery life. Again the 27" 1080p monitor two feet away looks fantastic, so shrinking it down would only be better.

Sure, I might get a Note 3 now, but would prefer the smaller size of the G3.

Added: Or just stick with my S4 32GB and do something I have not done: Stay two complete years with a device.
 
I always wonder... Could you really tell me in your own words what's the difference between Aosp, aokp, CM?

Very good question. Whereas these ROMs have a lot in common, their features may vary from Rome to ROM . By features I mean ROM settings and appearance. Of course, the boot animations are also different, but I know that doesn't mean anything. If you have any other questions , please ask them. the only stupid questions are the ones that are not asked.
 
Very good question. Whereas these ROMs have a lot in common, their features may vary from Rome to ROM . By features I mean ROM settings and appearance. Of course, the boot animations are also different, but I know that doesn't mean anything. If you have any other questions , please ask them. the only stupid questions are the ones that are not asked.

Then, that means rom branding like paranoid android, pac man, baked are based out of aokp or Aosp which was originally based from cm with was originally based of vanilla android rom?

Edit; I just noticed you suggested me to ask them. Okay sorry. Then what questions you'll like to be asked?
 
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