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Root ROOTING For Dummies Guide.....the Gingerbread Edition

scudder said:
I guess I'm still awake...1/2 way at least...:D

When you refer to "apps2sd" prior to partitioning, you are referring to NON-darktremor type app to sd card installation, yes??...the "stock" app 2 sd option?? If so, then that is what happened.

Is there any way to re-establish the link or is it lost and I simply need to use Titanium to reinstall??

I was also wondering if this result should have been EXPECTED on my part?? Was it the act of partitioning that deleted the part of the app on the card or any would any sort of non-partitioning-new-card installation would have had the same result?? I'm just trying to learn WHERE/HOW the link to the part of the apps on the card was lost and now considered "uninstalled"...??

In the morning when I get up...and when I have time to flash the Mik ROM...at that point, I'll be reinstalling my apps from Titanium and the Mik ROM will put the ENTIRE app where it needs to go: on the partition that I previously created, yes?
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ok so again apps2sd is the built in way to move apps to the card. it is not to be confused with a2sd. apps2sd was introduced first in froyo and then gingerbread. apps2sd moves only part of the app to the card. the other part still stays on the rom. so when you partition your rom, it wipes the card first before partitioning your card. so basically it wiped the half of the app that was on the card. thus basically uninstalling those apps. and unfortunately there is no way to reestablish the link since the other half was wiped.
 
Quick question. I'm rooted with the latest update from HTC and I was wondering if I updated my PRL would that effect anything or is it completely safe? Just wanting to know. Thanks for the help!
 
ocnbrze said:
ok so again apps2sd is the built in way to move apps to the card. it is not to be confused with a2sd.
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Problem is there is a bunch of confusion with the use of the single terms "apps2sd" and "a2sd"... :(

I try to be as thorough, specific and least confusing in my posts and that is why I have been asking for clarification (here and with other topics as well). In this circumstance, reference to the script by the terms "apps2sd" and "a2sd" alone all over the internet is a MESS...:(

I'm not sure if the XDA member "tkirton" is the developer of Darktremor however tkirton's subject at the following link says "[Script][A2SD] Darktremor 2.7.5.3..." but THEN just below says "Introducing....Darktremor Apps2SD 2.7.5.3..."!!!:

[Script][A2SD] Darktremor 2.7.5.3 Beta 04 [N1] (01/29/2011) - xda-developers

There are also references in the above link to Facebook pages and a Development Group mentioning "Apps2SD" (not "a2sd") as well. I think the latest beta version is that 2.7.5.3 and the signed file itself uses "app2sd" in the name rather than "a2sd" (http://www.darktremor.info/files/a2sd/dtapps2sd-2.7.5.3-beta04-signed.zip) :(

I am one of the LAST people who wants to waste your or anyone else's time by confusing terms or ignorantly asking questions without reading. I try to be as well-read as possible before posting a question and was aware of the differences between moving the apps to SD starting with Froyo vs. the functions of this script but, in this circumstance, the terms used to reference this script and its functionality is a mess :(

THANKS AS ALWAYS!!
 
You know what? i agree with you 300 %

Making my freaking eyes cross. :p

I think i would find it helpful if someone who has more experience at it just tells us what they DO to make it work, and what they notice as far as the Manage Apps, internal storage and a2sd partition.

As long as we know a way that DOES work, we are good and can puzzle out the details later.
 
dustwun77 said:
You know what? i agree with you 300 %

Making my freaking eyes cross. :p

I think i would find it helpful if someone who has more experience at it just tells us what they DO to make it work, and what they notice as far as the Manage Apps, internal storage and a2sd partition.

As long as we know a way that DOES work, we are good and can puzzle out the details later.
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Agreed!! I have seen reference to the Darktremor and the other similar script (name escapes me for the minute but it is in the Guide in the OP of this thread) by saying "dt-apps2sd" and that has been helpful.

Funny because I ran into an analogous (says me) problem with ordering dinner last night. Long story short, there was either a problem with new information at the register or on the menu board. The Menu board had TWO sizes, "small" and "regular" but (after noticing a problem with the order and the cost) the register referred to sizes as either "regular" or "large"!! Soooo, the menu sign's "regular" was actually the largest size and the cash register's "regular" button to ring up the food was the smallest!!:eek::eek::mad::mad:

PROBLEM was that neither the worker nor the manager explained the problem at the beginning of the ordering process (nor any time in the middle...I actually to figure it out with them saying nothing!!). It was an EASY fix though because there were only TWO sizes. I could care less if the one I wanted rang up as "extra-medium" :D....all they had to do was to say "do you want the smaller one or do you want the bigger one.

So, similar circumstance here but looks like it can't be easily undone :( I'll probably refer to one as "froyo" or "stock" app2sd and the other as "darktremor" or "dt" app2sd.

PS...by the way, the fries that I ordered from the menu had "regular" and "large" and the words for THOSE sizes WERE on the register!! MUCH bigger mess than this dt-app2sd/a2sd stuff!! ;)
 
scudder said:
Agreed!! I have seen reference to the Darktremor and the other similar script (name escapes me for the minute but it is in the Guide in the OP of this thread) by saying "dt-apps2sd" and that has been helpful.

Funny because I ran into an analogous (says me) problem with ordering dinner last night. Long story short, there was either a problem with new information at the register or on the menu board. The Menu board had TWO sizes, "small" and "regular" but (after noticing a problem with the order and the cost) the register referred to sizes as either "regular" or "large"!! Soooo, the menu sign's "regular" was actually the largest size and the cash register's "regular" button to ring up the food was the smallest!!:eek::eek::mad::mad:

PROBLEM was that neither the worker nor the manager explained the problem at the beginning of the ordering process (nor any time in the middle...I actually to figure it out with them saying nothing!!). It was an EASY fix though because there were only TWO sizes. I could care less if the one I wanted rang up as "extra-medium" :D....all they had to do was to say "do you want the smaller one or do you want the bigger one.

So, similar circumstance here but looks like it can't be easily undone :( I'll probably refer to one as "froyo" or "stock" app2sd and the other as "darktremor" or "dt" app2sd.

PS...by the way, the fries that I ordered from the menu had "regular" and "large" and the words for THOSE sizes WERE on the register!! MUCH bigger mess than this dt-app2sd/a2sd stuff!! ;)
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i understand the confusion, but the way i look at it is that any talk of moving apps to the card and not using the froyo way (apps2sd) then they are talking about a2sd regardless of what they call it. and there are two ways of doing a2sd. it is either built in or you have to flash dt (darktremor) and push the apps to the card.
 
ocnbrze said:
figures you found it on a mik thread.:eek::D i remember seeing that. almost forgot about it. thanx. i might put that in the guide as well.
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i loaded the amon rem didnt work i deleted it from computer tried to download again and it wont let me.any ideas or another one that i can download.or can i just download the senergy rom being i am now rooted
 
ocnbrze said:
figures you found it on a mik thread.:eek::D i remember seeing that. almost forgot about it. thanx. i might put that in the guide as well.
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Ha..yea Mitchell was awesome with the a2sd stuff. If you ever have any obscure question about it, you could start with a search of the mikfroyo thread on xda. You could even try a pm to him but not sure how much he's on anymore.
 
mankinda said:
i loaded the amon rem didnt work i deleted it from computer tried to download again and it wont let me.any ideas or another one that i can download.or can i just download the senergy rom being i am now rooted
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Amon rem? What's that? Do you mean Amon RA? If so that's a recovery tool like clockwork or twrp, not a rom.
 
help im trying to root my new evo and revolutionary wont recognize the phone once it is plugged into the computer it still says waiting on device have tried everything can somebody help me.
 
nick1313 said:
you don't even need to download or flash a rom to get tethering. Just install the wifi tether app from the market to get tethering.
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i have downloaded wi fi tether many times and tried others
but error message always appears when i open up the app saying
(not root) (your kernal does not have enough features to run this program) am i missing another download?
Thanks
 
mankinda said:
i have downloaded wi fi tether many times and tried others
but error message always appears when i open up the app saying
(not root) (your kernal does not have enough features to run this program) am i missing another download?
Thanks
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Are you sure you are rooted?
 
mankinda said:
i have downloaded wi fi tether many times and tried others
but error message always appears when i open up the app saying
(not root) (your kernal does not have enough features to run this program) am i missing another download?
Thanks
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also check that the superuser app has deied the wifi tether app. for some reasin it will do that. just click on it and allow access and you should be good to go.
 
[QUOTEN=dustwun77;3238175]On phone. Have you installed a non stock kernel yet? You need to.[/QUOTE]

no I have not could u tell me where to get it
Thanks
 
mankinda said:
dustwun77 said:
On phone. Have you installed a non stock kernel yet? You need to.
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no I have not could u tell me where to get it
Thanks
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I am thinking you should try what ocn said first, click on the superuser app and see if it recognizes the app you have downloaded and tell it to, if it hasn't. sounds like you have a stock kernel though. But the custom roms come with kernels already, you don't have to change it probably, to get the wireless tether to work. i don't know for sure cause i have always changed them.. lol

Ok, I have looked back in the thread just a little. Did you ever get Amon ra recovery installed? It is a good thing to do and the directions are in the Gingerbread rooting for dummies sticky, under Switching recoveries. If you would do that, it would probably save you a lot of trouble in the future.

Then, it would be a good idea for you to read the Roms, Kernels, Themes and More section in this same thread.

Basically it explains to you that you can load different kernels that will do things like allow you to underclock the phone in order to extend your battery life, or make things like wireless tether work.

Thing is, most of the custom roms i have seen have some sort of wireless tethering or hotspot or usb tethering, hacked, so you don't end up paying an extra fee, built in. and the kernel that comes with it, supports it. so you wouldn't need to download any other app, but the one from the market does work better in some roms, and not at all in others.

So, now that you are rooted, have you installed a custom rom? If so, which one did you install? They come in various flavors, the 2 I am more familiar with are Sense roms and aosp roms. The Sense roms are larger in size and more glitzy and have fancier looking features. The aosp roms are smaller, work great, and lend themselves to kernels that are proven to really give good battery life. You might have to go to the market and get some apps that add some of the features that are built in to a sense rom but that isn't a biggie, there are boatloads of them.

You get the custom roms in the Roms and kernels thread, they are all organized for you. You have to use a sense kernel with a sense rom, and an aosp kernel with an aosp rom. They come with a kernel already though, so you don't really have to get a new one unless you are looking for different features.

You should look into them and flash one, after you have made a backup, of course. How to make backups and flash roms is in the sticky, as well. Of course, there are a number of people in here who are willing to help you at any point. it does help to have feedback too.

Hope you can make sense of this, I am in a madhouse over here and getting distracted... lol
 
dustwun77 said:
I am thinking you should try what ocn said first, click on the superuser app and see if it recognizes the app you have downloaded and tell it to, if it hasn't. sounds like you have a stock kernel though. But the custom roms come with kernels already, you don't have to change it probably, to get the wireless tether to work. i don't know for sure cause i have always changed them.. lol

Ok, I have looked back in the thread just a little. Did you ever get Amon ra recovery installed? It is a good thing to do and the directions are in the Gingerbread rooting for dummies sticky, under Switching recoveries. If you would do that, it would probably save you a lot of trouble in the future.

Then, it would be a good idea for you to read the Roms, Kernels, Themes and More section in this same thread.

Basically it explains to you that you can load different kernels that will do things like allow you to underclock the phone in order to extend your battery life, or make things like wireless tether work.

Thing is, most of the custom roms i have seen have some sort of wireless tethering or hotspot or usb tethering, hacked, so you don't end up paying an extra fee, built in. and the kernel that comes with it, supports it. so you wouldn't need to download any other app, but the one from the market does work better in some roms, and not at all in others.

So, now that you are rooted, have you installed a custom rom? If so, which one did you install? They come in various flavors, the 2 I am more familiar with are Sense roms and aosp roms. The Sense roms are larger in size and more glitzy and have fancier looking features. The aosp roms are smaller, work great, and lend themselves to kernels that are proven to really give good battery life. You might have to go to the market and get some apps that add some of the features that are built in to a sense rom but that isn't a biggie, there are boatloads of them.

You get the custom roms in the Roms and kernels thread, they are all organized for you. You have to use a sense kernel with a sense rom, and an aosp kernel with an aosp rom. They come with a kernel already though, so you don't really have to get a new one unless you are looking for different features.

You should look into them and flash one, after you have made a backup, of course. How to make backups and flash roms is in the sticky, as well. Of course, there are a number of people in here who are willing to help you at any point. it does help to have feedback too.

Hope you can make sense of this, I am in a madhouse over here and getting distracted... lol
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Thanks

I tried loading amon ra but my phone didn't recognise it

I followed switching recoveries as well

I rooted the evo 3 days ago and followed rules for revolutioary but cannot make sense of the rest ..have not made kernals or tons or annything else so I got stuck
 
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