LG G3 Pre-release/Rumor/Speculation Thread

[EarlyMon]

810 mass production is apparently next year. The 801 and 805 will be milked until the diminished return curve intercedes. The 810 will be planned based on that forecasted point.

To quote Mr Krabs from Spongebob: Money money money.

I think that you didn't follow my post.

The 805 sampled beginning last November.

When it moves to production, the internal labs are released to sample the next great thing.

It's often a 4-7 month schedule.

The people and facilities to do it at the fabs come at a high-demand premium.

Improvements are staged. They need to learn first how to integrate and build Adreno 400 series GPUs (805) before changing out the CPUs with it (808/810).

And it is about the money.

How to not waste it, how to get return on investment to pay for the next project.

 

[hilmar2k]

I am more concerned that the device has the same battery as the G2, yet LG state same battery life. Considering same 28 micron fab for the chip, higher clock and Qhd display, there is a trade-off somewhere and IMO it is likely throttling (as far as most weight). This is straight from LG:

"adaptive technology minimizes the drain of the Quad HD screen including adaptive frame rate, CPU clocking and timing control".

Testing will tell the tale, but assertions by EM and others that the G3 might not be a good fit for gamers could have merit. BTW, I agree with EM that "adaptive technology" for the display seems more a play on semantics.

Added:

I want a media using, game playing fool like me to test and review this device Most reviews are by the numbers and superficial. Anandtech and very few others stand out in a good way.

None test signal reception much. Not even Anandtech.

Let's use the M8 as a basis for comparison, since it has the identical processor (and I owned it for a week). The M8 has a 2600mAh battery and has crazy battery life. I could get 2+ days out of light-moderate use. Even during the first few days of heavy usage due to setup and general playing around with the new toy, I still ended a 15 hour day with 40%+ battery.

So the G3 has a bigger, higher res screen, and 400 extra mAh to play with. That's 15% more battery power. I would like to think that the G3 screen doesn't use that much more than 15% more power than the 5" 1080p screen on the M8.

Bottom line is I don't think there will be any issues with battery life, and I don't think LG has to throttle it too much to get there.

 

[EarlyMon]

1440p has 78% more pixels than 1080p.

5.5" has 17% more area to backlight than 5", 15% more than 5.2".

Not asserting anything, just posting numbers.

 

[rushmore]

I think that you didn't follow my post.

The 805 sampled beginning last November.

When it moves to production, the internal labs are released to sample the next great thing.

It's often a 4-7 month schedule.

The people and facilities to do it at the fabs come at a high-demand premium.

Improvements are staged. They need to learn first how to integrate and build Adreno 400 series GPUs (805) before changing out the CPUs with it (808/810).

And it is about the money.

How to not waste it, how to get return on investment to pay for the next project.

I did too In support, the product direction is driving net present value in the black and they base that on the scale of diminished returns. The key to timing is positioning new products to hit their stride as the curve for other products are milked out, based on demand.

That is the endless cycle of money you refer to and why new fab processes are dicey and can create revenue optimization gaps.

Seems the 28nm versions of the 600/800 family will have served the Q well until the 20nm become common ground. Intel is pushing 14nm for mass production. Wow.

 

[Maine Coon]

1440p has 78% more pixels than 1080p.

5.5" has 17% more area to backlight than 5", 15% more than 5.2".

Not asserting anything, just posting numbers.

..and G3 has replaceable battery..

I am also not asserting anything, just trying to remind that the phone with replaceable battery is not the same as the phone with non-replaceable battery

 

[Jeyd02]

..and G3 has replaceable battery..

I am also not asserting anything, just trying to remind that the phone with replaceable battery is not the same as the phone with non-replaceable battery

So, that means you will take an extra battery with you?

 

[EarlyMon]

I did too In support, the product direction is driving net present value in the black and they base that on the scale of diminished returns. The key to timing is positioning new products to hit their stride as the curve for other products are milked out, based on demand.

That is the endless cycle of money you refer to and why new fab processes are dicey and can create revenue optimization gaps.

Seems the 28nm versions of the 600/800 family will have served the Q well until the 20nm become common ground. Intel is pushing 14nm for mass production. Wow.

Ok, you're entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is fundamentally at odds with facts.

You're clearly thinking about this as if we were talking about cars or any other finished goods, and it's all driven by economics.

It's just not.

The nanometer roadmap that you're referring to was laid down and scheduled over a decade ago - and it has always been driven by the machine manufacturers projections and their constant adjustment of that to reality.

When Intel gets 14 nm stuff, they're going to get the consumer credit but it will be their machine providers that made it possible.

If we could have done 14 nm ten years ago, we would have, right then.

None of this artificial economy you think it's about.

True or false - our space fleet does not fly at warp speed and time jump because of dirty economics? Or because certain things required just cannot exist yet?

If you think that doesn't apply here as well, you're entitled to your opinion.

My opinion is I know some of the people who literally slave to invent the next refinement at dimensions so small you can count electrons, and no amount of money will make them any smarter or produce any more quickly.

One woman can have one baby in nine months.

Nine women can have nine babies in nine months.

But nine women cannot have one baby in one month, no matter what economic model you try, including the one that says that they can.

PS - I didn't intend for this to come across as antagonizing and I admit I may have some confusion about your post due to my interpretation of it.

 

[jimbo1mcm]

Wonder how the Galaxy S5 Prime ( with maybe an 805) will do against the G3. The S5 design seems dated next to the G3. Should be interesting. Of course, LG might put an 805 into an updated G3. It looks like G3 is winning in the Korean market presently. Maybe Samsung should spend more money on advertising. Oh wait...

 

[Maine Coon]

So, that means you will take an extra battery with you?

Yep. Is that a problem to anybody? doesn't take much space. Doesn't weight too much either.

 

[Maine Coon]

Wonder how the Galaxy S5 Prime ( with maybe an 805) will do against the G3. The S5 design seems dated next to the G3. Should be interesting. Of course, LG might put an 805 into an updated G3. It looks like G3 is winning in the Korean market presently. Maybe Samsung should spend more money on advertising. Oh wait...

LOL

 

[Jeyd02]

Yep. Is that a problem to anybody? doesn't take much space. Doesn't weight too much either.

As funny as it might sound, it just hits me the thought of turning off the phone take case off then back cover them swamp the batt then put everything back again then letting it load. Idk I don't see myself doing that haha.

 

[Maine Coon]

As funny as it might sound, it just hits me the thought of turning off the phone take case off then back cover them swamp the batt then put everything back again then letting it load. Idk I don't see myself doing that haha.

In most cases it is not necessary. At all. Charger at home, charger at work.
I don't see myself walking for many hours and not having access to the charger.

But when I leave, say, on a business trip, or have a transatlantic flight for 10-12-14 hours, the spare battery is a necessity.

 

[Jeyd02]

In most cases it is not necessary. At all. Charger at home, charger at work.
I don't see myself walking for many hours and not having access to the charger.

But when I leave, say, on a business trip, or have a transatlantic flight for 10-12-14 hours, the spare battery is a necessity.

You know what, under those circumstances it seems actually fine and a must to have a spare. But I always had this feeling that I would rather wait into low but percent to charge it. I hope I am not so perfectionist lol.

 

[drexappeal]

I love wireless charging. In the past my connector was constantly falling behind my nightstand when I unplugged my phone in the morning, requiring me to go digging for it all the time. Not to mention the few times my glasses snagged in the charging cord and sent the phone tumbling off the stand when I woke up. Now, just plop it on the pad each night, and pick it up in the morning.

Same goes for me. Even though charge rate is typically slower, wireless charging is so convenient.

It's most convenient using my qi wireless charging dock in the car! Makes for a dock and go experience, but universal for any future device I get that has qi wireless charging.

 

[AntimonyER]

In most cases it is not necessary. At all. Charger at home, charger at work.
I don't see myself walking for many hours and not having access to the charger.

But when I leave, say, on a business trip, or have a transatlantic flight for 10-12-14 hours, the spare battery is a necessity.

Yeah, but the way I see it, for only sporadic use, your money is way better spent on a portable charger than a spare battery. Cheaper, and not limited to use with a single device.

For me the best thing about removable batteries is after a year or so, pop in a new one to refresh the battery life. Like you, I am rarely away from a charger, and I have a 10000 mAh portable charger on the rare occasion I am.

 

[Jeyd02]

Yeah, but the way I see it, for only sporadic use, your money is way better spent on a portable charger than a spare battery. Cheaper, and not limited to use with a single device.

For me the best thing about removable batteries is after a year or so, pop in a new one to refresh the battery life. Like you, I am rarely away from a charger, and I have a 10000 mAh portable charger on the rare occasion I am.

How portable is that charger?

 

[Maine Coon]

Yeah, but the way I see it, for only sporadic use, your money is way better spent on a portable charger than a spare battery. Cheaper, and not limited to use with a single device.

For me the best thing about removable batteries is after a year or so, pop in a new one to refresh the battery life. Like you, I am rarely away from a charger, and I have a 10000 mAh portable charger on the rare occasion I am.

I see your point. However, the charger takes more space than battery.

In a year or so there is a pretty good chance I will be eyeing a new phone.

 

[AntimonyER]

How portable is that charger?

It's about the size of my wallet.

 

[drexappeal]

FYI, for those interested and likely purchasing the G3, I started up an accessory discussion thread, so that all the accessories people find can be compiled into a central location:

http://androidforums.com/lg-g3/850964-lg-g3-accessories-thread.html#post6590376

I added a few things, but not very specific. Most notably, one thing that would apply for anybody looking to upgrade their microSD, the Samsung EVO 64gb microSD is on sale for $35 at Amazon.

 

[Steven58]

eh... the rumors are drying up... i may just get the s5. *depressed*

 

[Jeyd02]

eh... the rumors are drying up... i may just get the s5. *depressed*

What else are you expecting :/?

 

[drexappeal]

It's about the size of my wallet.

Which 10kmah backup battery charger do you have? That's the smallest sounding 10kmah that I've heard of, and I'm always about having backup battery chargers (I have a bunch all over- in the car, at work, at home, in travel bag).

 

[CafeKampuchia]

eh... the rumors are drying up... i may just get the s5. *depressed*

How about this?

Galaxy S5 called Prime and should pack a 5.2" QHD display, Snapdragon 805 chipset and 3GB of RAM.

Samsung SM-G906 Galaxy S5 Prime certified in Korea | gsmarena.com

If it comes to Verizon, it ticks two of the boxes the G3 doesn't or may not (SD805/3GB RAM) and it will have a 5.2" QHD Super AMODEL display that you said earlier looks like a window out to the world on a sunny day

 

[halon]

Samsung could make the holy grail of phones and I still won't buy it. I like them as much as I like Apple.

 

[drexappeal]

Oh wow, the Korean version of the G3 comes with two (2) removable batteries, as well as headphones (would actually be awesome if they came with those new Tone BT headphones)? I expect the US to have limited accessories, but that's a pretty darn good package that they're offering in their homeland. Early reports have the G3 outselling the S5, in the same 1st week timeframe, so we'll see if that translates when the device is launched worldwide.